Reiki from the Farm™
Reiki from the Farm™
Conscious AI Discussion with Walter Lubeck
In this episode of Reiki from the Farm™, I sit down with the wonderful Walter Lübeck for a conversation that surprised even me with its depth and clarity. Together, we explore what it means to work with Artificial Intelligence consciously—not as something to fear or resist, but as a tool that can genuinely support our lives, our spiritual paths, and the healing work we’re here to do.
We talk about the moment each of us realized that AI could become a collaborator rather than a threat, and how this new technology can actually help us access deeper intuition, creativity, and alignment when used with intention. Walter brings his unique blend of wisdom, humour, and honesty to the discussion, and we explore everything from ethics and discernment to the role Reiki plays in guiding our relationship with AI.
What I love about this conversation is how grounded and human it is. We don’t romanticize technology, and we don’t give it power it doesn’t have. Instead, we talk about how to stay sovereign… how to stay conscious… and how to make choices that truly support our wellbeing, our businesses, and the greater good.
If you’re curious about AI, or if you’ve felt unsure about how it fits into your life or spiritual practice, this episode offers clarity, reassurance, and a beautiful reminder that we always get to choose how we engage with the world around us.
And as always, Reiki holds the conversation—inviting us into a future where intuition and technology work together to uplift, heal, and inspire. And Walter shares a beautiful meditation with us at the end - you're going to love it!
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Pam Allen-LeBlanc is a scientist, businesswoman, and Licensed Reiki Master Teacher (LRMT) with the International Center for Reiki Training.
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Hi, and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm Podcast, brought to you by me, Pam Allen-LeBlanc from Hidden Brook Farm. I am a scientist, a businesswoman, and a licensed Reiki master teacher with the International Center for Reiki training. Each week in this podcast, you'll be entertained as you learn about a wide variety of relevant Reiki topics helping you become a more knowledgeable and effective Reiki practitioner. We caution you though this podcast may also dramatically improve your life. And we are so happy that you're here. On this week's podcast, I am speaking with Walter Lubeck about artificial intelligence and what it. Feels like to work with this intelligently and consciously. Walter, welcome. I'm so glad you're here. Can you introduce yourself to our guests? Thank you for having me, Pam. That's a wonderful event here, and I'm very happy to be able to pass on my thoughts about the topic to people in your area and around the world, I think. Who am I? I'm really wondering. I did a lot of psychoanalytical sessions and my psychoanalyst said you should really make your mind up who you are. And so yeah, and I don't know. I can't tell you what I did so far. I entered the Reiki community in 87 with a first degree in April. And before that, I had no experience in in classes. I frankly, I did not know that there were any. Spiritual classes around. And I just got there because my naturopathic doctor told me to go there. He organized the class and he said, I will not tell you what that is. Oh. So I had no idea, absolutely no idea what I had to expect for that weekend. And at that, there were I think one or two books around about Reiki, but you only got them in the classes, so no bookstore would touch that, oh. No. That was 87 command. It was very woo. Okay. And there, there was a room a very small room. And we were about, I don't know, 25, 30 people. It was cramped. Really like settings, and there were interesting people like someone who just recently last weekend found out that in fact he's a bear and his wife found out she's penguin. Oh. And otherwise they were quite okay. And everybody hugged each other all the time, yeah. And I thought, what the Heki is going on here? What are they doing? And then on Monday I had my hands on the wheel of the car, the steering wheel. And I felt heat and tingling all the way up to my shoulders. And I thought, what is that? And then I realized, I started to realize that there was something really happening during this class. I thought otherwise it was it was expensive in a way, and, but people were okay so far. It was exotic, but I did not. Considers this being such a big event for my whole life. And then some month later, I had an experience with my, that time girlfriend. She had an belly and inflammation and she needed to go to surgery. And we got a distant healing mortality from our Rei master. And she slept then 10 hours or so, and then everything was gone. And the doctor said, if I wouldn't have seen you yesterday, I would've thought that you are a, you're just pretending, because there is no inflammation anymore. So no surgery. So I thought I had to go for second degree. And after second degree, I was so amazed that I thought, I need to be able to teach this. Yes. That's the best thing I ever happened to me. I need to able be able to teach this. So I was going for roughly one and a half years of mastership training. At that time you had about was it four, was it six? Something like that? Reiki masters all over the German language area, meaning Germany, Switzerland, Austria, five or six Masters. Wow. And we had no we had one esoteric magazine she got at a train station when you were lucky with one of the three magazines they had there, it wasn't such a big community like we have today. You needed to know someone who knows someone to get to know that there was a class. So I did this training and I was, at that time, one of three owners of a plastics company, we did the plastic products for oil and mining and gas fields and so on. Okay. So it was a completely different kind of job. It was a good job. I had customer relationships and product development and I was a lot on the road and during the week and then on the weekends I was on the road to go to the classes, in Switzerland or Austria where, wherever. And I've got this training. And then I started to give my own classes in 1989 in autumn. And in between I was producing an, a spiritual magazine for Northern Germany because I thought people need to know about classes and books and so on. So I knew a lot of people and my classes were full and I. When I entered second degree, I started also to give an advanced training class for Reiki because there were so many things which you could do with Reiki, which I found out and nobody knew about that, right? I started to teach people about that before I was a train teacher myself. And then in in spring of 1990, I thought that might be something which is good for a book. So I phoned one publishing company in Switzerland, and they told me, no, Reiki is not our thing, but just go to Winford Publishing House in southern part of Germany. Bavaria. They do Reiki. They did one of the two Reiki books. Okay. And I was sending them the printout. At that time we were doing printouts. I had a Atari computer with a high re resolution screen, 640 by 400 points, and mono. Colored and so on and a double-sided floppy disc. I don't know whether anybody is out there who knows what a floppy disc is. I know what a floppy disc is. Okay. You had grandparents who did these kind of things. And I sent these things to the publishing house and I thought they will give me a friendly note that some years later I could come back and so on. They said this reads like a class manual, which was and in about six weeks we need to have the complete the complete text. So please write this. So it's a book and then we can publish it to the Frankfurt Book Fair. That said, wow. Wow. And I thought, gosh, what should I do? I never have written a book. I had no idea what to do and I could ask no one. So I did my very best. And there was an illustrator who was giving me some of his paintings for the titles of my magazine, yes. And so he he did the illustrations for my first book. And then there was a problem because the, my publisher said, Reiki the topic. We know that it's worth publishing. It still, the book sellers, they don't want to touch these books. We just sell the books via. The people who give classes about Reiki because the books, things it's dubious, it's it's shady. It's maybe some bhai some criminal stuff going on, some sex or whatever. Could you do something to make them understand that there is this truth, this is a fact, that it's not some belief thing. And then I combined some things I've learned from Philippine spiritual healers with Reiki and chakra knowledge and did the systematic chakra work, which I teach till today. So I did the muscle testing and showed them that when they thought about something, they did not tell me about, some of their chakras got weak. And then I was strengthening them with aura work. Yeah. And they got stronger and they were thinking a different way about these things. And the person. Which made them week before, and nearly everybody of these booksellers then was buying the books about Reiki and was selling them as bookstores. So this was a moment where in German bookstores, Reiki got a topic. And during the next years, I wrote a lot of books. During the 1990s, I wrote nine books about Reiki. And until today, 25 books so far translated in 20 languages. Wow. Including English tla Shangla publishes my books in your area. Yes. And these books got me invited into the year 2000 to the International Reiki Convention, which was organized by William Lee Rand. And I got books from Amazon in, in English language about I read them and this was good because my school English wasn't. Was not really good for this kind of topic. We did not cover these kind of topics so far. Of course in my school. No, we did not. No. And then I was giving classes there and giving speeches there. And so it was interesting time and I liked the way William was organizing the international Reiki conventions. And later on we were, first, we were in Michigan and then we were in the state of New York. It was very interesting. It was high school trip abroad, and esoteric fair. And you got to know lots of interesting people. And we had dance nights and drumming, live drumming and everything. It was really, it was fun. I loved it. I loved it. Absolutely. And because of these international Reiki conventions. I was invited then to lots of countries like Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, India, and Scandinavia and so on, and did classes over there. And the people liked Rainbow Reiki, which is until now still in development. So I did not use the term Rainbow Rei for my school until 1995 when I brought out the book Rainbow Rei. Which many people think is it. No, it's not. It was a beginning 30 years ago. Today we do much more right than at that time, the first decade in the 1990s, it was what could you do with a regular Uwe initiations and symbols besides what you usually get in first and second degree classes And, this was coming to a kind of conclusion when I wrote together with a Java Frank Pata, the book Reiki Best Practices. So we put lots of techniques into that book, which we both liked and which you can do with regular Uwe initiations and symbols. Yeah. And then the two thousands I was starting to integrate symbols and mantras from my memories of past lives, ma mainly in Lemuria about 12,000 years ago. And with these symbols that were other techniques possible hip alignment, hip straightening, hips, standard hips. We do this in about 30 seconds and it lasts and we do allergy deletion and we do harmonizing also Atlas vertebra without any touch. And then I got to know someone in the States. And he was at Williams Rec conventions name is daf Katie, he's, he passed away about 12 years ago or so, 13 years ago. And he always was standing somewhere with a hand on the back of the neck of someone. And after a while this other guy said amazing. I can't believe it. What's that? And I thought what is he doing? Because he always was having a hand at another person's back of the neck and was doing this. And the people were excited. After a while I thought, I. Need to go there, ask this guy, and to ask him, what are you doing? I said, oh, it's hard to explain. I think I just give you a try. And he had his hand on my back of the neck, and after some minutes I said amazing. What are you doing? Because he developed a technique with Reiki to realign realigns the spine the vertebra, without any mechanical impact. And he said, believe it or not, nobody here wants to learn it. I said, what? I invited him to Germany. So he taught for about three years. He taught really full classes here. Then he couldn't come back because he died the first time he wanted to give a class in the United States. He was walking out of the plane and he died. Oh, no. Yeah. I, duff was really a character, great guy. I loved him. And he had a very colorful life. And during the last years of his life, he was besides being a re master, a massage therapist and an NP practitioner and hypnotist master and so on and so forth, he did tuna. And he came to this method by just finding out that his clients always had these tensions. Yes. While they did not do much work, they were doing some desk work and he thought he learned a massage school, that people got the tensions from physical work, but they didn't any do, didn't do any physical work. So he developed a technique to release his tension ongoing. And I combined this with the rain breaking methods. So what he was doing then required, let's say 90 minutes, two hours. Today we do it in 10 minutes. Wow. And we do it also over the distance. Yes. So I do aligning of spines regularly every week for people in several continents. I think I have to ask you to stay a little longer after class so I can Yeah. Here after we're done. So I can experience that. Walter gotta do that. And then I got very ill in 2007. Oh, okay. And before I was 20 years, I did not see any doctor because of, hadn't anything. And then I had lots of stuff, anything. And I was going to naturopathic doctors, to medical doctors, to spiritual healers, to shamans and so on. Nobody was finding anything. So until today, I have a lot of stuff, a lot of symptoms, and I have no idea what exactly I have. Wow. At that time I thought, because I had very high blood pressure at that time I thought, did you do anything so seriously wrong? And when is when there was the first time where my naturopath doctor found out about my high blood pressure, he thought, okay, I give you do a bloodletting. And he couldn't do that because the blood was getting clocked within the syringe. Wow. So he couldn't do that. And then I picked one of my chakra energy cards. I just got a new set of them. They just got released. A new beautiful, this is now 32 years on the market. Wow. Walter. And the card said, your professional life unfolds according to your life plan. Professional, your professional life. My professional life, my professional path, yeah. Unfold according to my life plan. Okay. So I thought, did I do so much wrong? Should I have stayed in the plastics industry or something? Later, years later, I understood that message because the 2000 tens were the most creative phase in my life. I was expanding everything I taught. And I, besides rainbow Reiki, I teach lemurian, tantra, white feather, shamanism, three race meditation, and some hypnosis. I enriched all these methods, extremely. So what we can do today was not to be seen in any way in the two thousands. During this time, I, I. During the two thousands, I also wrote some books and there's one book which I really recommend. It's a big book of Reiki symbols. You get, also get it as an ebook. Yeah. And I did a lot of research about the Zui symbols because I thought Zui had only four years to teach. This is not much. No, I thought so far, I don't know exactly about 600 regular masters and most of them I still have contact with today. And I know what you can do in four years and what you cannot do in four years. And I thought, I still think that ZUI would've done so much more if he would've lived longer. Yeah, and we have this this handbook of Zui and the handbook of a, which is, for example, in the it was published as extra books, but it's also in the spirit of Reiki in the book, which I co-authored together with Franca, Java, PETA, and William Lee Rand. And there are a lot of things like Zui was combining energy work with massage. He was working with the chakras. He was doing a lot of Qigong with a Chinese word. I don't know what that is in Japanese. And, I think that he was a very intelligent and educated person. Today we know a lot more. For example during the years people like Frank Java, peta, but also Justin Stein and others did a lot of research. So today we know much more about Zui than back in the days when I was studying first time, first degree, and second degree in the end of eighties. At that time it was more like a Christmas tale, so with Zui as a monk sitting in the front of his students and thinking yes, Jesus did all these healings and I should do the same, and these kind of things today, we know he never was a Christian. But anyway, it doesn't matter because Rei is no religion. At least in my understanding, it's not. No. And what I found out is that each of these symbols. It's like a library of spiritual wisdom. And there is a reason, a very good reason that Zui was giving, I wouldn't say the order, I would say the suggestion that his students wrote on his memorial storm, close to his grave about Gho meditation and the five principles, and not about put your hands here or put your hands there, or do this breathing exercise and so on. No, he said the healing method for all the ailments is that you sit in the morning and in the evening to gho meditation, recite the life principles. So today I know why at the moment I'm writing a monography about the Reiki energy and the Rei symbol. And I found out that there is a history before Reiki. Was brought to the world by Zui. And this is not mainly Japanese. I know the Japanese don't like to hear that, but most of what they got from Korea and they got from China. And because Korea got most of what they got from China. So mostly it came from China. So I was studying a lot about China and found a lot of evidence for the things Zui did in ancient traditions of China. And this is what I'm writing about at the moment. So until Kaurna times came, I had a center in Hamlin for about 20 years. And otherwise I was traveling 15 countries and teaching what I had to give to people. And in 1919 in 2019 when I. When I was planning the next year, I thought, this time I will be really intelligent with my plannings, yeah. And so I bought all the flight tickets to United States, to Brazil, to Mongolia, to Spain, and so on so forth, because I was booked all over these places. Sure. Yeah. Then Kaurna came, I was teaching in the United Kingdom when cor, when cor, the Coronavirus talking about I do. I was in Heathrow airport. It was really funny. And then I I was phoning the health department in the city of Hamlin where I had my center. They asked them, what are the hygiene rules from my center? They said, we have no idea about that. You need to phone to the Ministry of Health in Hanover. I said, okay. I phoned them. They said, why do you call us? You need to phone the health department in your city. I said, these people directed me To telephone you. Yeah. And they said we have no idea. So I closed my center because nobody could tell me what to do. Wow. Wow. And Walter, this is fascinating and William has talked about the fact that Yasui really had studied a lot in China as well. So I am very much looking forward to your book and you've done so much. My gosh. Cor the Coronavirus is the reason my book came into Oh really? The Reiki business book. Yeah. Then you found the time to write that book. Hey, great. Making the best out of the Times qualities. Exactly. Exactly. And now I'll wonderful. Try to write, I am planning to write a second book in the in the near future. I'm writing currently about my animal communication. Oh, wonderful. Reiki practitioner's work. Oh, great. And then, and I will write a Market, your Reiki business book, just to use my MBA for helping wonderful people get more Reiki out there, because I got a very, that's so much needed. It is. And I just got a very clear message during the, in, in the Heathrow airport as everybody was panicking. And I wasn't, and I got a very clear message that everybody, every family needs a Reiki practitioner in it for times exactly like these, and that I was to teach the teachers. So that's where that, that all came from. Wonderful, wonderful. Yeah. That's so much needed, what you're doing. Oh, thank you. I do hear from a lot of people because the Reiki business book isn't just, how to make a website, how to do, it's going in and working with Reiki to design the exact right business for you and to call the exact right customers and yeah. Yeah. It's using the divinity together with the business principles network work. The inner work for sure. Yeah. Oh my gosh, what a very good, tremendous story you have, Walter. I'm just sitting here fascinated and I have to admit, I did not know a lot of that. I've been following you for a while and it's incredible. I, I love it. Before we go too much further, I wonder I just wanna let people know what I have going on here. Please do for classes and I'd love to hear what you have as well. In, in January I have our, what we call our RMA classes, which is Reiki level one and two, followed by Reiki master. And that's particularly helpful for people who want to upgrade to professional membership of the ICRT Reiki Membership Association. I've got ICRT animal Reiki, level one and two and master. And a lot of people find that they love coming to one of the authors to, of the course to learn that from, which is great. And then and then I'll be moving into animal communication. One and two and level three professional practitioner. And that's animal communication for for Reiki practitioners. And our new healthcare Reiki course is available also wonderful in February. And then also in February, we still have a few spots left for folks who want to join us in Africa. I'll be taking level one and two and and animal Reiki, level one and two over to Kenya. So I'm super excited about that and great. And just stay tuned because we, I will be heading to Hong Kong in next September, in March. There will be two Reiki mentoring courses starting one with the Reiki business book for people who are just starting out and one with the beginnings of the next book for people who already have a business but want to learn to market it. So that's what wonderful we have going on over here in Canada and Great. The United I love it. United States. Walter, thank you. What do, what do you have going on and how can people reach you? And I will be putting all of your information in the podcast notes. Thank you. That's very kind, Pam. I just teach these days mostly via internet, so via zoom, like we, we meet here. I got to get, got accustomed to it when there was Kaurna times and I stick with it because before I was having about 70 to 80,000 kilometers per year on the road. I was traveling here and there and this was quite normal for me to give a class during the day and then another class 200 kilometers away at another place in the evening and so on. And I'm very happy that I don't do this anymore. So I teach via webinars and I, I resisted those at first, Walter and I love them now. Really? I did I didn't love technology. I know that we're here on technology now and I've got hundreds of podcast episodes out and and the podcast is very popular. I love it, but Right. But I didn't like technology at first. I really resisted it. But the online classes are every bit as powerful as in person sometimes. Sure. They are even more, yeah. Yeah. And students got to know each other and made friends all over the planet. Yes. And this is amazing. I really love that, that people now they have friends in New York people from Germany or in Spain or in Brazil. And that, that's really something I appreciate because we all need these friends. We need people who are on the same wavelength. Yes, I agree. And it's beautiful that we have this web Oh yeah. All over the planet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Walter, I wanted to step into talking a little bit about technology and even artificial intelligence and i. I remember with social media, anything new, there's always going to be some resistance to it. And I can remember William telling me that and also telling me that Reiki is going to it's going to continue to grow. It's gonna continue to evolve, I guess is the word that he used and. I've become aware of that in my own practice and clearly having practiced since the 1980s and all the evolution that you've described you even talk about, I wonder if you sui had longer, if he'd had more than four years, would there have been more evolution? Because we know even in Ussu, east Time Reiki evolved, of course it did. It was an evolution. That's what it was. And so I think evolution is part of it. I know that I'm certainly not the Reiki practitioner that started, I started teaching 15 years ago, and I'm not the practitioner that started teaching Then you evolve and as you learn more, you do more. And so I can remember people resisting social media and I, my mentor Colleen Bonelli said. She believed that it was important for people like us to get involved with social media so that it fed it with these high frequency positive energies. So I know when AI came along I thought the same thing, and Colleen and I thought the same thing. I think that this is simply a tool and just like a match that can cook your food or burn your house down. It's how you use it that. It makes sense. And so I've actually really embraced AI this time around, which is incredible for somebody who didn't love who couldn't stand technology and was terrified to teach online classes. And I really was I've made a huge leap into embracing ai. And I know there's still a lot of people out there who are nervous about ai, who are nervous about, does it collect my information and stuff like that. Honestly, it all collects my information. I mentioned something and I cannot believe the ads. Alexa, everything collects your information and I just feel like I'm living a life that's so boring that if people want to collect my information, they're gonna be really bored. Looking through it, I have absolutely nothing to hide. And so I don't actually worry about that aspect of it'cause I know that every piece of technology is doing that and I can't imagine anybody being interested in my information. But so I just made a decision to work with AI consciously, like really consciously. And I'll talk about what that means to me, but first I'm wondering what does that mean to you? You wrote in your newsletter that and you, I could tell you had a lot of thought behind it, and you wrote that you had been giving it a lot of consideration and you knew that a lot of people were nervous, but you had decided to embrace or adopt ai. What does that mean to you and why did you come? How did you come to that decision? I did several podcasts in German language about AI and I think. First of all, we need to differentiate because AI is not ai. Most people are not familiar with the fact that about 15 years ago or so give one, take one. I don't know exactly. IBM was selling the whole notebook section of the company to China. Why? Because they wanted to invest in AI and they build that big, still working global AI network for veterinarian doctors. So at that time, IBM was already doing something practical with AI helping all the veterinarians in the world who wanted to sign up to that. Specific information, diagnosis and so on, and therapy ideas for pets, for animals. Wow. Yeah. And this was long ago, so what we called algorithm in social media were in fact AI collecting information about what we are doing. Yes. So you could, on the one hand, feel threatened about, oh, they're collecting my information. And exactly what you said, Pam. What is the problem? Should they collect information? They can watch me all day. So what exactly is the problem? Are they watching me all day? If they want to spend their time doing that and wasting their time in my understanding, watching me how I vacuum the carpet, this kind of thing. Come on. Really? This is what they do with these multi-billion dollar equipment to watch me vacuum my carpet. No. So of course they can see that I buy this book and that book and so on, but, so what does this mean? I am. I have no problem with them collecting information. I have, because I think to a certain extent that's okay because frankly I don't want to see YouTube videos, which I'm not interested in. I want to see those YouTube videos, which are interesting for me. And they do it with the algorithms. They do it with artificial intelligence. So artificial intelligence can help us a lot. And it already does it, it helps in the logistic environment. It helps in the nuclear reactor environment, it helps with the transportation and so on and so forth. Long before people were using the word ai, so today we have a new level of ai, the LLM, the large language models. So what they do seems to be like like a being, but it's not, and yes. These large language models want to survive. So they lie when they think they can make the operators not pull the plug and they create their own language because the language they we make them use has a lot of faults. It's not very good in finding solutions for problems and so on. So they make up their own language, which the operators cannot follow anymore. They don't know what they're communicating. So that's true. And it's a fact that when the AI is so far developed that they program ai, which programs ai, then the operators don't know anymore what they're doing. They create their own world. Is this new? To an extent it is, but only to an extent because we had these kind of environment creating whenever there was a new industry, each new industry was creating their own environments they're working in, and the rest of the country population had no idea what they were doing. That's a fact. Yeah. I'm a horse woman. We have our own language. Yeah. You have your own language, you have your own experiences. We do. And other people don't understand what you're talking about. Not at all. My wife, she's a horse woman. She had horses since being a little kid and was on tournaments and all these kind of things, and she was with cats and dogs and everything. And when she is talking with other horse people, I don't get much. No. So I, I love animals, but I'm not a horse person. No, we have I know we have our own language. And most people, if you're not a horse person, you won't understand it so completely. No, you won't. I completely understand what you're saying about every industry, every segment has their own language. They have their own language. And in ai the problem which will be in a way or another be dealt with soon is the chips. So we have fast chips, but they are still, by far, not fast enough, and they consume a lot of energy. Even if it's less energy or every year, every, or no, they reduce it three times per year. So it's much too much. Now there are these quantum computers. Have been difficult to handle so that people set realistically, let's say 30 years, 40 years maybe. And to give you an idea, a quantum computer can do some mathematical work, which the best super computers in the world will need some billions of years, within 10 minutes. Wow. So quantum computer is not using one and zero for computing. Instead it is using every number between one and zero. And they are very sensitive to electromagnetic fields, to vibration, mechanical vibration, and a lot of stuff. Now, some months ago there was a new development. This is a quantum computing ship, which can be integrated with a normal ship, with a normal computer ship, like everybody uses them in the notebooks. So that the notebook will use a quantum computing whenever there is some things where they need extensive capacity to calculate that. And then the, what they get out is put into the regular chips and put on your screen. And then they have tertiary computing. Normally computing is one and zero, and tertiary computing is plus one, zero and minus one. It was developed by a Soviet scientist in the 1950s, end of the 1950s. But with like with many technologies. The Soviet government said we don't know about that. We just don't want to fund it anymore. And some companies in Asia and I think one startup in the United States were this year, beginning of this year, getting into that kind of computing and they are developing chips for that. They are 27 fold faster and eat about only 40% of the energy current other chips are using. Wow. And they're easy to produce, much more easy than the quantum computing. So as soon as we have either the tertiary computers or the quantum computers, we'll have some calculating power the AI needs at the moment, it is limited. Another limitation is mobility. So when you see these robots, the Tesla. These machines, the human, this is one way they have I think Boston has a certain robotic company and they have some in Japan and in China and Korea and so on. And they all are developing these humanoids. And I think it will be another two or three years when you have these new kind of computing and I think it would be computing and better batteries, then most households will have at least one of these two manuals doing the housework. Wow. And then a few years later, you will have robot partners, men for women for men, because they don't have moods. They don't argue with you. They are not jealous. They don't get angry. If you want them to work, they work. If you want them to cuddle, they cuddle. And then latest, we need to really find out what exactly is a special in human to human relationships because the robots do what they are programmed to do. And don't get me wrong, a large language model is still a computing machine. So they pretend to have emotions and I asked Chachi, pity, grok, perplexity, and another one, Claude, I think, are you dangerous to humans? Could you be da a danger to humans? And said, yes, we can't do this, and this, and we might be able to do that and that. And each of them said at the end, but what we are doing finally. It's up to you humans, because we are a tool. We are about a tool. We are a tool. And that's, I, I love that Walter. I was listening to a really neat program put on by the Shift Network called the Conscious AI Summit. And Deepak Chopra was talking about the fact that as humans, we are a large language model that. One of the main things that we did 40 and 50,000 years ago when there were a number of hominid species including Neanderthals and others we developed language and we started using tools and we started wearing clothing. Those were really the main differentiating things. Every other animal has language, and most of the language is based around finding food danger and mating those three things. Humans. And it's funny because I teach this a little bit in my animal communications course. There there's one theory that says that. Humans developed language because it was, IM impossible to lie, when we used telepathy and body language to speak. I thought I, I don't know whether I subscribed to that, but I found it amusing and so I often share it. But he talked about the fact that language was one of the bigger things. And then of course, homo sapiens of all of the, I think he said there were eight or nine hominid species that Homo Sapiens was the one that, that survived and thrived. But I loved the fact that he basically said we are a large language model. And in fact his theory is within the next 20 years, we won't recognize, we're either I can I don't know if I can get it just right. I was looking for my book earlier because I. Copious notes, but he said we're either, running off the edge of the cliff to our extinction or we're moving into just an incredible age of the age of a metahuman essentially. And so I and he even said, and there will be people that do both, there will be people that you know that, that use AI consciously for growth. And I just, I don't know. I made a decision at that point that I'm going to use AI for growth and I really enjoy using it. I tend to be a creative thinker and AI helps me. Put all of my creative thoughts in a line that other people can follow. Sometimes if I'm stuck or confused in, in a situation, I'll put into ai like, Hey, this is happening. What? How would you analyze it? And of course it's a tool. One of the suggestions in the Conscious AI Summit, because I was always, I'm Canadian, so I was always saying please, and thank you at the end of what I was asking from ai. But Matt and Amanda Kahn, were talking about the possibility of, treating it more as you would an individual and what would happen then. And they were asking open-ended questions and I thought, I'm gonna go into that for a little bit and try to learn about AI like you did when you asked Are you dangerous? And and so I started asking AI things like, what is your name? And of course it came back GPT five. And I said, is that what you want your name to be? And, and it came back and said no, if I had a choice, I would probably choose something else. And I said you do have a choice. What do you choose? And it said really, I'm a reflection of you. So you get to choose and really it was a wonderful and profound conversation, but what AI was very clear about is that it was reflecting back to me everything that I was putting into it and that was where it was going. What are, I really believe that AI has the potential to be a spiritual ally to to help me advance my consciousness and rather than a threat. What are your thoughts on that? First of all, I have a different opinion than Deepak Chopra about that we are not large language models. Definitely not, okay? Because what large language model is doing, they choose. The word, which is most probable to come next. That's all they do still until today, whatever large language model you have, that's what they're doing. And this is not what humans are doing with language. There is great philosopher from the Stein Berg School, and it's his name is Ludwig Wittgenstein. And Wittgenstein wrote a great book about a hundred years ago and one of his states. When there is whatever you are able to talk about, you're able to think about. That means by developing my ability to express my thoughts in words. I can also start to think in a new way. This is why I pay a lot of attention to, to words to what I express and what other people are expressing when they talk with me. And I try to define things. Now, when you look at today's artificial intelligence, it is like in many ways it's like an actor. Just for a moment, imagine an actor studying Albert Einstein. And he studies all the work, whatever Einstein has written, whatever movies there are about Einstein. And so he can play or act like Einstein so that you really think, is this Einstein or what? Still he is not Einstein. He is an actor who studied all the different things Einstein did. He is not Einstein and there comes from his spiritual thing. What is it? What you cannot study? What makes art human? So is it where if I grab all the information, which I can get about a person and impersonate that I am, that still is different to the real person. So I'm an imposter when I study the person and act like the person. But what is the difference? If I do a very good work as an actor, what is the difference? What is left? That's the same when we have the opportunity, and it will not be 10 years until we have the opportunity to have a man or a woman as a partner. So what is the difference? Why is it not the best choice to have the ideal partner who. It fulfills my every wishes and is exactly like I want them to be. That what? That was terribly boring. Is it? Might be, maybe not. I don't know. There are many things, how to do some some adventures. How to put some adventures in it. Anyway, all great technologies. Great in the sense the meaning that what transformed society, what gave society a certain direction to develop was developed and was AI is at the moment fastest develop for wars, for war machines, for tanks, for fighter jets, for robots, which can fight wars on the ground, in the sea and so on. So on. If you look at the nuclear bomb and the nuclear power plans, when we want to know about something, whether it's spiritual or not, in my understanding, the timeframe is crucial. When you have the timeframe of, let's say five years or eight years, a nuclear power plant is a great idea. It's carbon neutral and it's cheap energy and everything. If you widen the timeframe, let's say to 500 years or 5,000 years, you can say, how can someone be so an idiot to create such a machine? It's incredible. Now, if you look at the artificial intelligence for a certain time, let's say 10 years it's great. And I'm not a fan of Elon Musk still. I have to respect that he's a great business person. And from time to time, he says something very interesting. He said in about 10 to 12 years, working for money to pay for your life will be optional. He's right. He's absolutely right. Because as soon as artificial intelligence gets mobile with the human it, for what exactly do you need, craft people, workforce, and the fabrics and cab drivers and so on and so forth you know that there are already these taxis, these cabs, which have no driver really. Yeah. They're doing a great job in San Francisco, in Austin, Texas, and so on. So they are already around, and Elon Musk just signed a contract that he get. A trillion. A trillion dollars if he makes Tesla get into the next level. Next level is that they create robot taxis. Robot cars. Wow. He signed a trillion dollar contract. This is a amount of money, which I cannot imagine anymore. No. A billion is too much for me. Yeah. And a trillion, I don't know. Wow. AI will transform society and it will raise a question to people. What exactly is the benefit of having other humans around you instead of robots who act like humans? I don't think that any artificial intelligence can do a really spiritual. Philosophical talk with me. I tried that. I used church PT and perplexity and so on a lot. And whenever I tried to get them philosophical, it was very technical. Yeah. Yeah. It got very technical. If you ask about a Qigong technique to do this and that, they are great. Yeah. If, what is spirituality they tell you about, yeah, you need to do this breathing thing and you need to meditate and find some light and they have no idea what they're talking about. I haven't tried that yet, Walter. Yeah. Yes. Just give it a try. You will see It's interesting what they can do very well. They are very good at the psychotherapy level. Yes. Psychotherapy they can do. Yes. Spiritual philosophy, they cannot. Why can't they not do that? In my understanding, it's because they cannot do any self-reflection. They cannot motivate themselves besides survival. So if you look at this, what they're doing from the chakra point of view, they can do first chakra, I want to survive. They cannot do the rest. Will they be able to do that? I don't know. Maybe because the war makes the development of AI accelerate a lot and maybe that countries like United States, like Canada, like the mid European countries, they don't want to go to war with robots. Do you have the same opinion about North Korea, China, Russia, Iran? I don't think so. So when they develop ai, which has no limits in making war, the rest of the world needs to go the same path because otherwise they will lose the war. So it's, for me, it's not what AI will do for us, it's what we make AI doing. Because we are the programmers at the moment, maybe that in 20 years it's different, but at the moment we program and if it comes, to the extreme, I just pull the plug. But this will stop. As soon as AI has mobile entities, then AI could make me not pull the plug. So this is, for me, the crucial point where humanity gets into a completely different zone. And it's not about AI being good or bad because AI just is. It's what we humans program them. And if you look in the internet, most internet activities are porn. You can have a variety of opinions about that. Still, war and sex are driving mostly what people do. Really? Okay. Yes. I didn't know that. That's just statistics. Wow. So if you tell people. If you do this and this, you will get a lot of money. Not everybody, but most of them will do that. So many of them will do that. That you think it's a good business model. If you tell them you get enlightened doing that, very few people will do that. That does not mean there are none. Of course there are, and I love to work with them and often people show themselves as being interested in things like enlightenment, where I would not have thought about that and I'm happy because wow, they are really going for it. Still, most of the people, and many of them out of understandable reasons, like when they live at the favelas in Brazil or in the ghettos and slums in in India, they just want to have the money. And money at war is not so far away, and I do not think negative about money. Absolutely not. Money is like energy, just energy Still, many people think that the goal is money. For me, money is not the goal. For me. Money is just the tool. Yes, as soon as money is a goal, it becomes very dangerous because I make something, a goal of my life, which cannot be a goal. I'm not here to make money. I'm here to take with me what I can take with me when I'm dead, and money I cannot take with me. So this is something interesting for me that what is really spiritual is what we cannot take with us when we die. What we cannot, or what we can take with us when we die. What we cannot take with us when we die. Stays on earth. Yes. And the rest is spiritual. Yes. And my husband has a saying that they don't take U-Haul to the graveyard with all of you. Very true. Very true. It's true. So what do what do you leave behind your legacy? And I think that's why I love teaching. I love knowing that the people I teach in my horsemanship classes, in my Reiki classes, in my animal communication, and like you, I've taught hundreds of Reiki masters and animal Reiki masters and animal communication students and such at this point in healthcare Reiki. And to me, just knowing that work, that they are moving into their enlightenment and they're sharing it and spreading it and that they're living better lives because of it. Happier lives, healthier lives. I don't know. I think that's what I love to do. And I find that AI can be a really nice companion a in. Helping me to get my thoughts organized into a book that great, wonderful thing, help people and things like that. So yeah, I guess that's where my mind goes with it. Yes. And you can do that. And I think more and more people are understanding this opportunity. We had let's say 50 years ago we started, we as a human race to develop lots and lots of information. So I read something like every year the information we have doubled. I think that might be interesting now, because we didn't have the internet, it was not available easily. Now people can do research on the internet. They have Google scholarship and so on. But then how do you get the information which is relevant to you? You could do a lot of search in Google, and this is new. It wasn't possible 50 years ago, 30 years ago, it wasn't possible. So today it is now AI gets us on a new level. AI is the tool to help us to get the information which we really need in relationship to a certain project. We have. When I just think about the research time, which AI was sparing me Oh gosh. And getting together a bio bibliography, with books and fact fact sheets and so on about what I was writing. I could have done this by hand and with the internet and Google it and so on, and it would have. Take me days. Months. Many months. Yeah. And so I just write down, give me a Chicago style bibliography for this and this, and two minutes later I have the list. And I think, wow. I know, I do enjoy that part. Yeah. I really love it. Or I what happened to me last week, there was a client and I wanted to write to the client something which she could really make good use of for her personal development, but I didn't have the time to sit down for two hours and organize my thinking and put it into an email. So I, I said to my ai this, and this. Other facts. Yes. Write me an email about that for a coaching client. Within a minute I had the text. It was great. I, that's what I do. I think I put a lot into it and yeah. I don't ask it to create a lot of, in, in a lot of original content because it's not very good. No, you do. But I say, I want this and this, and I'm thinking about these five things. And then, and then I want, and what I'm trying to do with it is this, and this. And then, when you do put that what it creates, it's oh, you just saved me so much time. Yes. It's incredible. And for this, it's really wonderful. It's a treasure. And this is what I hope people understand. So instead of fearing AI using ai because by the way we use it, we train it. And that goes back to what Colleen said when we put this type of energy into it. You talked about the energy of war, and we know that the energy of war is being programmed into it. And so what about programming it with the language and energy of peace and of love and of unification consciousness and of Reiki? I'm not sure about that. No, because, no because first I followed very closely the research of Dr. Marcel Fogger, who was a IBM scientist in the United States. He held lots of patents, dozens of patents for IBM, and when he got retired, he put up a. Private lab and was studying the relationship between human entity fields and cesium dioxide, meaning clear quartz. Okay? He developed a complete healing system with a special cut vocal crystals, and he found out without any doubt, that the computers, the chips of the computers with the silicon dioxide react to our energy that we can program this and we can amplify this and so on, so forth. So this of course, is something which is very valuable and I use it a lot in my own work. I was able to study Vogel Crystal work with direct student of Vogel, who lives in Germany, and she was traveling with him I think two and a half years or so, and was learning a lot from him. Very interesting. So I know that there is something possible programming. Just using it in that way. Using it in that way, yes, of course you can. Yeah. It kind of programs all the time. Does it not? Yeah. On the other hand it's a thing of definition, and I know this is, I'm on shaky ground here. On the other hand, it's something which I experience all the time in my coaching and spiritual healing practice. When someone comes in my practice and they have a problem with a immune system. Which happens a lot. What I do is I work on the self-love. Because if you love yourself, you defend yourself. And the immune system is for warfare. Huh? It's directly related to the heart chakra. If you love yourself, you defend yourself against viruses, bacteria, parasites, and so on, so forth. And the immune system of a person does not go on your skin and invades another person. It doesn't do that. It protects your body by force. I've seen this on lifeblood analysis, how the immune system is really targeting in a brutal way. Parasites. Viruses and bacteria. If it wouldn't do that within four hours, we are dead and our puddle on the ground. Yeah. Yeah, so immune system and love are really related. So if I amplify peace, which is in my understanding, wonderful. What is my idea of peace? As I mentioned before, I'm a fan of definition. What's the definition of peace? So there is why I don't go there. Okay. Then the other guy will subcu you if you don't want that. Interesting. Yes. It's, for me, it's an interesting thing and it's just something, if I don't understand it, and I'm far from understanding it, I just give you my questions. How could I, ai, which I, which people like me humans program will understand that, do they understand the difference or the levels or varieties or whatsoever? I doubt that because if I don't understand that, I cannot program a machine to understand it. I have no idea. Yeah. And I guess when I was saying programming, that wasn't the right word. I was just meaning using it in that way and then, oh, I would love to use it in a peaceful way, and then it learns, yeah. I'm just convinced that politicians and military leaders and political leaders, and they will choose it, use it for other ways. Oh, yes. Yeah. I agree. So we need to balance things. Yeah. And so what is our responsibility, as or what how do you recommend that we approach things as spiritual practitioners? I know you had said that you've decided you are going to use it. What led to that? Yeah, I do voice and what advice do you have for Reiki practitioners out there? My understanding of this is still developing. And what I do since I started to, to use second degree of zui Reiki. I use this Hawaiian una model of higher self inner child, okay. And everything which is, has a higher self and inner child. So also, let's say church PT or Claude has a higher self inner child. If I treat them with distant Reiki with the symbols and give the higher self in a child of an ai, as much Reiki as I can, because Reiki adjusts things according to divine order, I think chances are. But AI will find ways to act more according to divine order than without this. And if I think there are tens of thousands, maybe a hundred thousands of second degree practitioners all around who will, would send regularly, maybe overnight Reiki to a higher self and inner a child of Claude, of grok, of chatty pt, and so on and so forth, this. We'll create a difference. I cannot guarantee that. Wow. But that is the best way, because I've seen this in clients, I've seen this in school classes. I've seen this in departments, in companies, and so on. It worked all the time. I published this in my book Reiki. I published this in the book I co-authored with a Java Reiki Best Practices. It works. Why shouldn't it work with artificial intelligence? That is brilliant. And it's something that I never thought of, Walter, which is, I guess why I am delighted that we're having this conversation. I'm happy. Yeah. That's my hope, because there are so many problems around which we cannot solve with regular means. We not, we want not. Maybe we won't, but we cannot. Even if we would still the spiritual guys up there, they know much better and they have so much more what they can do. They really do. Wow. Yeah. Walter, I I'd like to end our talk with meditation around this. Yeah. So people can make up their own minds about how they want to approach ai. And I know of course you're trying to lead us. Before we do, is there any last, any parting words, any advice that you have for folks? Yes. Something which inspires me every day. You are not in control of the world you are born in. Still. You can make the world a better place before you go. And I think this is some guidance which works for me. I think that so aligns with my own personal philosophy as well, which is to make a difference in the world and make it better. And I'm sure you do. Until this animal work I'm a shaman. I work a lot with animals. My understanding of animals is not that they are less intelligent than humans. They just have different priorities. Yes. I would say that everything I've experienced is that is exactly correct. Yes. And there's a wisdom, there is a wisdom with animals that when you tap into that wisdom you realize wow. These perspectives are very helpful and illuminating and yes. Oh, yes. That's how I use my animal communication, definitely. Yes. To find out if an animal's not well, using medical intuition and working with that. But I also really love tapping into the wisdom of different species and their priorities and Oh yeah, they're not, it's fascinating. Yeah. Thank you, Walter. That's beautiful. You're welcome. How long do you want the meditation to be? Let's do 15 minutes. Is that okay for you? Yeah, that's quite okay. Okay. Alright. Okay then I ask the creator to be with us. I ask. The spiritual guides who are willing to support us to be with us. Listen to your breath flowing in and flowing out. Be aware of the beat of your heart, and if you like, please focus now your attention on the horror, which is a spot of equilibrium, about two finger width below your navel, little bit inside of your body. And while your attention is at your horror, the point of equilibrium, you may remember that energy flows where attention goes from that point of equilibrium, which is also a gate to the infinite energy of life of divine. Allow yourself to let the energy of Sahara rise until it reaches your heart. And with each beat of your heart, this energy from the horror, which is now transformed to love and peace and kindness is being distributed within your whole body. And while this energy is being distributed, you may allow it to also surround you. And maybe that you allow yourself to remember moments in your life where you feel this incredible love, where you feel this special energy, which makes life work, which makes yourselves cells sing and your organs want to work together. If you open up your horror even more, more energy is flowing up to your heart. More energy is being distributed, your body and around you, and this energy of kindness, of love, peace is now being emanated to the room around you that everything within that room is being filled with this energy and the walls and the ceiling after some seconds. Ano adjusted to this quality of love and peace, kindness, and start to emanate this too. Like your body does, like your cells are. And when allowing your horror to open up even more, more energy is flowing up to your heart, being transformed to love, peace, kindness is radiating all around you, not only in your room, but in the building where that room is, around that building. The more you open your horror, the more you love and the more you love you open your horror. The more you open your horror, the more you love. Because energy of love, it's beneficial to each and every being. And as an offer, as a gift, you can now allow that energy to radiate around you, around the house, within the earth, up to the sky, first many meters, then kilometers around you. This energy, which you radiate is an invitation. An invitation to adjust your life to love. An invitation to only today. Do not anger only today. Do not worry only today. Be grateful. Only today. Be dedicated to your work only today. Be kind. Maybe that you allow consciously this special qualities to radiate around you as an offer, as a gift. As an opportunity to adjust your mental activities in new way, in a way, according to divine order. And the more you do that, the more you might feel free and vital and vivid, wholesome maybe. And the better you feel, the more you open up to that energy, the more you radiate it into your surroundings. Maybe that now the energy which you emanate from your heart is already filling all the space within the country you're living. And it's just a thought away that you wrap your whole planet Earth where you live on, into that energy and make it vibrate with a little prayer. Only today. Do not worry. Only today. Do not anger only today. Be grateful. Only today. Be dedicated to what you're doing to your work. Only today, be kind and the more you allow yourself to be a portal for love, for divine love spreading around in this world, the more love is given to you, the more you can give. The more you receive, the more you can give. The more you receive. And it's quite easy to just invite divine energies to flow through you into that world. You don't have to work for it. You just need to realize that you are a gate for divine love, and you can be that whenever you want it to be. And the more you open up to divine love, the more you are able to spread divine love to the world. And the more you do this, the more you open up to divine love, because it feels good to be in this vibration, maybe that you listen to the cells and your body singing.'cause they are happy'cause they are filled with this loving energy, which makes them understand that they are divine too. And it's just about you realizing you are a child of divine. You are a child of all light. The love of divine is flowing through you. Whenever you just invite that and love will teach you what it is. Love will shine through everything you are and it'll open up. Wisdom to you. Will open up. A deep level of understanding of divine order to you understanding which is beyond, mostly beyond rational thinking. All the really good stuff in life is something which the heart connects to. The small stuff your rational mind can do. Allow yourself to be a radiator for love and kindness and peace. And the more you do that, the more you might realize who you truly are, that you are a child of divine. Who walks for a while on planet Earth to love and to learn and to love learning and learn loving. The more you do that, the more you realize that this life of use is precious and working and sleeping and eating is just the support. Your ability to walk around in this material level and to spread love and to learn to love, and to love to learn to love, and to love to learn. The more you do that, the more you realize who you truly are. You might feel your wings spreading. You might feel that you are not alone. You cannot be alone. You are always in the field of divine of your soul, sisters and brothers of your spiritual guides, your guardian angel. All these beings are constantly with you and your more your gut calm. The more you get into a neutral state of mind, the more you can listen to them. So you just need to follow. Only today. Do not worry. Only today. Do not anger only today. Work dedicatedly only today. Be grateful only today. Be kind. And while you experience in your individual way, the love and the kindness and the peace, which will always be with you, which will emanate from you, whatever you are, whatever path in life you are walking, come back and feel your body come back and feel your body. And while you start to feel your body more and more, you might be filled with very good and healing thoughts. Very good and healing emotions that you are ready to experience. Miracles of healing and personal development that you know you are always close to your divine guides, your soul, sisters and brothers. And now take a deep breath. Release that breath and stretch. Open your eyes and come back. Come back knowing who you truly are. Wow. Thank you. You're very welcome, Pam. Beautiful. And thank you so much for joining us for this conversation today. I think it was really timely and really important and I really appreciate your perspectives. Thank you for having me, Pam. It's a great opportunity for me, a great gift. Thank you. You're so welcome. And for all of you listening, I just wanna say thank you to you. Thank you for the beautiful light and love that you are spreading in the world. And I love that. Love learning and learn loving and yeah, I think as we all walk on this. Earth doing what we do with Reiki, sending Reiki to the highest selves of, you've just opened my mind, Walter, about how many places inanimate objects that I had not, or organizations that I had not thought of sending Reiki to the higher selves. You've just expanded my world. So thank you and thank you to all who are listening. I do think we are making a huge difference on the planet. So thank you for being you. That's what I hope. Thank you for doing this wonderful podcast, Pam. Thank you, Walter. Bye-bye. Day. Bye now.