Reiki Nomads: Navigating Life's Currents with Dianne Thomas and Jay Jackson

Join us on an interesting journey with Dianne Thomas and Jay Jackson, two ICRT LRMT’s who are embracing the nomadic lifestyle, each in their own unique way. 

In this episode we delve into the transformative power of Reiki and how it has guided them toward their extraordinary paths. Dianne teaches Reiki on her boat, and Jay recently relocated to Ecuador.  They share their insights and experiences. 

Discover how Reiki not only heals but also empowers one to navigate life's currents, sometimes leading to profound changes and awakenings.

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Jay Jackson, a dedicated healer and Registered Nurse, began his journey in the late 1990s as a student of Reiki, achieving the status of a Reiki Master/Teacher in 2004. He also completed his massage program at the Utah College of Massage Therapy that year. Beyond his expertise in nursing, Reiki, and massage therapy, Jay has also delved into Crystal Healing, Sound Healing, and Sacred Geometry, demonstrating a commitment to healing himself and others that goes beyond conventional methods, embracing a holistic approach that intertwines the physical, emotional, and spiritual aspects of wellness.

Get in Touch with Jay
Website: https://reiki-healing-arts.com/index.html

Dianne Thomas, a dedicated member of the International Center for Reiki Training (ICRT), embarked on her Reiki journey in 2001. After receiving her initial training under Laurelle Gaia, she and her husband Ken founded The Pink Dolphin, a Bed & Breakfast and Reiki Healing Center, in 2002. Further advancing her skills, Dianne became a Karuna Reiki® Master in 2004 and was licensed with the ICRT in 2008. Embracing a life of adventure and spiritual growth, Dianne now lives full-time on her boat, continuing her practice as a Reiki nomad, deeply committed to the healing arts and teaching Reiki.

Get in Touch with Dianne
Website: www.5dreikiclasses.com
email: underthewillow7@gmail.com

Pam Allen-LeBlanc is a scientist, a businesswoman, and a Licensed Reiki Master Teacher (LRMT) with the International Center for Reiki Training.  She is the author of "The Reiki Business Book" and a co-author of ICRT Animal Reiki training.  Pam teaches Reiki, Animal Reiki, and Animal Communication online and in person in Canada, the US, and Australia.

Get in Touch with Pam
Website: https://www.reikifromthefarm.com/
Email: pam@reikifromthefarm.com

A special thanks goes out to Music from Pixabay for the intro music and to Nate Miller for the meditation music.

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Transcript

Pamela: 0:07

Hi and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm podcast brought to you by me, Pam Allen Leblanc from Hidden Brook Farm. I am a scientist, a businesswoman, and a licensed Reiki master teacher with the International Center for Reiki Training. Each week in this podcast you'll be entertained as you learn about a wide variety of relevant Reiki topics, helping you become a more knowledgeable and effective Reiki practitioner. We caution you though, this podcast may also dramatically improve your life, and we are so happy that you're here. On this week's podcast, I am speaking with my friends and colleagues, Diane Thomas and Jay Jackson, both licensed Reiki master teachers who Reiki has led on to a beautiful, adventurous nomadic path. Welcome, you guys!

Dianne: 1:13

Hello. Hello and thank you for inviting us.

Pamela: 1:19

It's so nice to have you guys. And just before we begin, Diane mentioned that she has gale force winds. She's on the boat right now as she's talking with us. Hopefully everything will go okay. And Jay has construction going on behind him. He had to relocate. And and I have a new dog that could, get the other four barking at any moment. So it's it's going to be an adventure today. Yeah. And I think about this podcast of something that the Dalai Lama says that when you experience something, whether it's through a book or a movie, or a podcast or a television show, your body doesn't know that you're not actually having that experience yourself. So I remember reading that ages ago and he was just saying, be cautious of what you consume. But what that makes me think is that by listening to your adventures, we get to share. in the adventure today and just embrace our own inner nomads. So I really appreciate that you're here. Before we go, I think

Jay: 2:23

Diane and I together, it might spark some ideas. It might spark something. Oh, maybe I can improve something in my life. That's

Pamela: 2:35

my hope. And, when I originally conceived of this podcast, Jay, I was shown that each of us has a different perspective of what source is and what the divine is and, and what it is to us. And not one of the perspectives is wrong. They're all correct. It's just that we're all looking from a slightly different angle and a slightly different vantage point. And it occurred to me that if we could expose ourselves to other people's perspectives and possibilities and opportunities and the things that they've experienced, that it just really broadens Our understanding of Reiki and of the whole thing of source and that so I love that you said that. Before we begin, I just wanted to let everyone know that this January 17th, from 6 to 9 p. m. We have a Reiki business course intensive marketing program. It's three hours each evening and my daughter and I throw everything at you that we can, that we've learned about marketing and just to help save you time and money as much as possible. So I'd love to have you join us if that speaks to you and you can just find the link on my website. which is in the podcast notes. I also have a Fredicton SVCA event coming up January 18th all about how your animals feel about going across the Rainbow Bridge. And we're going to be doing a forgiveness experience to help people release guilt, grief, shame, blame, over empathy, compassion, fatigue. And also I'll be communicating live with some of the animals that are at the event. So if you live near here join us. And if this event appeals to you and you don't live near here, let me know because this is something I could easily adapt to an online presentation down the road and still send. the proceeds to the Fredericton SVCA. I also, on January 30th, have a Deepening Connections with Animals course, which will help you understand how energy and animal communication can help you deepen your relationships with the important animals in your lives. And if you're a professional that works with animals, it can give you, I'm going to be giving you some tips and tricks that even if you have people in your lives that don't have Reiki or animal communication, it can just help them balance their own energies. in their relationships. In January I've got a full lineup of Reiki level one and two in master classes, animal Reiki one and two in master, and in February animal communication and Karuna. And just watch for the Some morning classes in Australia and Asian time zones in February or March, or actually, sorry, some evening classes, and there'll be morning classes in North America. Those aren't posted yet, but they will be posted soon. How about you guys? What have you guys got coming up for classes and courses and fun stuff?

Dianne: 5:40

Go ahead, Jay.

Jay: 5:41

Oh, so part of my adventure is I get to teach more, so I'm so excited.

Pamela: 5:50

Yeah, because you were always working as a nurse, you were so busy. So I was

Jay: 5:54

very limited in what I was teaching, and now I can teach more. Coming up in January. In February, I'm teaching, my Reiki 1 and 2 class, which I absolutely love. I'll be teaching a Reiki masterclass and then animal Reiki classes as well in January. And Ecuador is such a wonderful place to teach animal Reiki because I have access to so many wonderful animals that I get to greet every day. And so it's just wonderful. And then in February, I'm really excited. I'm going to be teaching for the first time online my Reiki Crystal Healing Introductory Class, and also Reiki Crystal Healing Intermediate Class. And these are classes that were the foundation come from L'Oreal Shantigai, who was just one of our divine teachers who who basically developed the whole LRMT. Programming in the first place and just a beautiful person. So I'm nervously excited about teaching these classes online because that is something very different. But I'm really excited about that.

Pamela: 7:05

Oh, Jay, that's going to be amazing. I'm excited about

Dianne: 7:09

it too.

Jay: 7:10

Yeah. And I'm also doing a lot more sessions, doing a lot more healing sessions, which is part of my passions. My passion just isn't in teaching, it's also in conducting sessions and, and seeing people heal their lives. And oh my gosh, it's just, so yeah. So with Diane, I just have to tell everyone. Even though Diane haven't, and I haven't interacted a ton, I absolutely love Diane and I love a lot of the stuff that she does. I just think there's so much fun. And so yeah, so let's hear what Diane's got going.

Dianne: 7:44

We just all

Pamela: 7:45

love each other. I was excited to talk to two of my favorite people. I said, Oh my gosh, I get to talk to you. This is amazing.

Dianne: 7:53

It's amazing to be here and be with you all too. It's just exciting. It's very exciting. So thank you. I've got let's see, a master and a one and two class in January and in February, I've got Karuna and, and I've got classes coming up. I have to say, I've been, I have to be a little bit cautious because we're hoping we are going to do some island hopping here before too long in this. Spring. And so it's I'm not sure exactly how to how that's gonna work internet wise, which I'll talk about a lot. sO we'll see. So I'm on hold with putting out a lot for the spring, but then we'll be back in the States for the summer. Yeah, probably won't be in the islands then. For hurricane season, man. So that makes us, that's a big thing for us to watch is the hurricane. So we we did great this year. I also am developing, I've started developing a course called Realizing Your Abundance, which is working with a lot with the flow of energy. It doesn't require Reiki, but of course, Reiki naturally is embedded in it and enhancing it. And I started that last last summer, which was part of that. And now I'm getting ready to put out the progression of more of these because we'll move from abundance to, to love and all these other things. Yeah, so I'm going to put out a little free course here about, about the fifth dimension. It's my thing, 5D Reiki, fifth dimension. Let's move into that energy. Yeah.

Pamela: 9:34

Oh, we're going to need to talk about that, Diane.

Jay: 9:37

Yeah, it's exciting.

Pamela: 9:40

Oh, wow. I need to know more. That's amazing.

Dianne: 9:43

It's it's going to be, I'm going to put out a little free course actually outlining what all of this is about so that people can get an idea of what I'm talking about. It's like it came in to understand that it's not like a linear thing. But it's more I want to say like Metatron's cube looking. It's like there's, these parts that are all coming together to, to put us into that fifth dimension. So we kind of work on all of it together. It's like when you go to college, you don't take, all of your English in one, one semester, you, you take English and a little science and a little math and, and everything. It's we're working all these together, but we're going to, and then. Anyway, I don't know that I'm describing it too well,

Pamela: 10:30

but you really are and it occurs to me like as I hear you, I know that Kathy Milonovsky, when you say Metatron's cube, she also received information and downloads around sacred geometry and this sort of thing. So I just, it's so interesting. I think it's, we are, we're just putting pieces of it all together. Aren't we?

Dianne: 10:51

Yes, we are. Yeah. And it's exciting. It really is. You happen to have a

Pamela: 10:57

date for that course, Diane, that

Dianne: 11:00

you're going to I'll be posting it. Check my website. I'll be putting it out there. Yeah. All

Pamela: 11:05

right. And we've got both of your websites in the show notes. So if anybody wants to check out additional classes with Jay and Diane, then you can. So thank you. This is exciting. Guys, before we go too much further, let's just bring, ask everybody to bring our hands in Gassho and just activate our Reiki energy today. Just inviting Reiki to flow through our hands and into our heart and just touch the heart of us that seeks adventure. And isn't that what this life is and what it's all about is adventure. Sometimes we limit ourselves from what we allow ourselves to experience just based on limiting beliefs. or some of the restrictions that we've created in our lives. And today I'm just going to invite you to allow the Reiki to flow in and just awaken that inner adventurer and just even ask him or her what, or them or they, what they would like to experience. If there were no limits, no restrictions, what would your inner adventurer like to do? And just go ahead and let that dream awaken and float within you today and just start to take up space in your subconscious and even in your conscious mind and just allow it to begin to form according to divine timing. in a way that's exactly right for you. We take a moment to just say thank you to the teachers who come before us and the descendants who will come after us and the beautiful enlightened beings who support our work, the energies and enlightened beings that guide us and heal us so that we may be of greater service to ourselves and others and so that we may live a life fully, completely enjoying every moment in the adventure. Love it all. Thank you for being here today and thank you for being you. Aho. Namaste. I just couldn't help but think of you both as that was coming through and just how you've just completely embraced your inner adventure. Let's, Diane, let's start with you. Can you tell us, I know you and I talked about this a little bit when you first moved to the boat. You were still, I think you still had your home, but that was all wrapping up the last time we talked on the podcast. Now you're completely on the boat. You've been there for a while. What does your day look like? What inspired you to teach on your boat? And what challenges and rewards do you experience?

Dianne: 14:45

And I have to say that being on the boat was a calling. it Was somewhere around 2018 that, it just came in and said your next step is to get onto a boat. I was running a B& B with my Reiki practice and it just said, you just need to be open. You're going to get on a boat. Okay. Here we go. But it took us till, it took us till 2021 when we Actually sold the house and moved full time onto the boat. We did have it. We did get it in 19, actually in 2019, we got the boat. So I've actually lived on it now full time. We have no other home. This is it. Three years. It'll be three years in January. It's

Pamela: 15:31

a while since we talked, Diane.

Dianne: 15:32

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's been that long. And, and I just actually my day starts out with I look out my window and I go, wow, I live here.

Pamela: 15:48

Water all

Dianne: 15:48

around. Water, I see water, but, right now we're in a harbor, so we're surrounded. with other boats and houses and stuff out there. But still, it's just wow, what is it like today? And and I do, of course, everything is online right now. Yeah. We're not in any one place that we can really put down any kind of roots or establish any kind of thing. But not that I don't occasionally give in the communities. We go into different communities. And the boating communities are embracing. Everybody says hello to everybody. It's like you don't know who they are, but you wave and you say hi, because you're all in this same situation. You, you're all, you all are sharing this kindred spirit of being nomadic. And there's lots of people that have lived on their boats for years here. Anyway, I got it, but, but here's something that I didn't really expect when, this is the, my, my day is filled with making sure we have. See, you don't think about it. You just turn on your faucet. We've, we carry 200 gallons of water and that's got to last us a while. We have, we electricity because we are not hooked up to any kind of electrical thing. So we're Semi off the grid. So we've got to have electricity to run our internet and, our lights and everything. And right now that's part of solar and a generator running. So we're still stuck to the the gas. situation, but and and so you, okay, where is our electricity right now? When we need to turn the generator on? So we're constantly looking at really paying attention to just how we survive we need to survive and it's it's so different, but it still put me in touch more with just the basics of life. And and also being on the water, it's man, it taught me how to balance.

Pamela: 18:05

I have

Dianne: 18:09

to balance every time I stand up.

Pamela: 18:13

aNd you said that although we can't see it, your boat is moving right now.

Dianne: 18:17

Yes, and it's swinging back and forth right now. The winds have died down, so we're not doing this so much and we are in a completely surrounded harbor right now that really protects us quite well, but, it's in, and you're, so during these winds, we'll be constantly monitoring whether our mooring lines will hold, and we don't run into anybody else. There's always these, all these things, but we have communication with everybody else in the harbor. And if somebody actually does come off, then they call and everybody rushes over and helps them. And it's. It's a different way of life. It really is. But it's not, it's it just puts you more in contact with just the basics of your life. I Guess more than anything. I don't know. What else? What else was I supposed

Pamela: 19:11

to say? What do you do for food, Diane? What do you do for food?

Dianne: 19:16

We don't have a car, so we rely on local transportation, which here has been pretty good. We so we get a transportation to a grocery store so we do have that that will diminish when we get into the islands, and we'll stock the boat up pretty good with the things that will sustain us, but, my biggest concern is I have three large dogs on board, too. I have three labs. And this is also, their care. We, we have to, rent a little Uber to get to the vets and take care of those things and take them to shore every three times a day. You can't just let them out the door, so there's and I shouldn't say that. My husband does the, he takes them to shore, but yeah, it's just you just learn how to live the basics and appreciate the basics, I think, more than anything yeah, it's just, it's interesting. Reiki has helped me a lot. I Reiki everything. Of course, if anybody knows me I believe in Reiki ing the, the engines when they don't work. And one time we were in a really bad storm and I was like, it was quite fearful. And I was just sitting there going, holy fire. But it calmed, it started calming down, and it's so it felt like holy fire was really stepping in. I've. I've always felt that it's amazing energy. So I use Reiki all the time, while I'm here. Yeah, I love it.

Pamela: 20:54

I just think it's amazing. And it it would frighten me a little bit at times, like to be in some of those storms and those heavy winds that you talk about, that must be, testing your, Resilience

Dianne: 21:07

and you've had some testing of your resilience. You've had some hurricanes go up there before. We didn't get anything this year. I think you did. Oh, that's true. We

Pamela: 21:17

did have some interesting stuff. Yeah, there's definitely something going on with the climate and it's different. And where are you right now, Diane?

Dianne: 21:28

I'm in the Florida Keys in Marathon. Yeah, which is about halfway down. Yeah. When you say

Pamela: 21:35

you're going to go to the islands, where are you speaking of?

Dianne: 21:38

Oh, the Bahamas. we'll see if we decide to truck on down each island. So there's a lot of challenges about going into different countries and going with the dogs and, and all of the So to speak, so they're different rules and regulations. So yeah that's interesting too. So yeah. Yeah. But I think my biggest challenge is the internet when it comes to teaching, but, I have to say everything was set up for me to get on a boat. COVID took care of, the online stuff. It's, it was like I thought about When we got to 2020 and we went to online, look at how much Reiki had already set up for us. It already had our meditations going, so that wasn't an issue. And it had so much already set up for us, so that going online was actually pretty easy. And and it felt that same way for me that teaching on the boat. Already had everything set up. So it was just simply a matter of making sure I had the internet and at first I had, I didn't have these curtains and so I had this big tapestry thing I put out there. my husband called it Studio you. They would be seeing

Pamela: 22:58

this if you the horizon, right? Yeah. So you have to block out the horizon for them. So the computer moves with you and it doesn't look like you're moving as long

Dianne: 23:08

as they I didn't want to make students seasick.

Jay: 23:12

We

Pamela: 23:14

do experience what we experience through you, don't we? We can become seasick, just watch.

Dianne: 23:20

It's

Pamela: 23:24

really amazing, and you're right with Reiki going online, it's meant that we can really teach anywhere. Even on a boat. And I just find it amazing. And you said earlier when we were talking before we hit record that you don't miss being on land, that you wouldn't want to be on land.

Dianne: 23:44

I actually, it's uncomfortable. So we go in, to the marinas and everything, and obviously grocery stores. And actually you go in and here, I don't notice this because I'm so used to it. And you go in and you feel like the earth is doing this. It's the opposite of sea legs. It's would somebody please tie this place down? It's

Pamela: 24:08

funny, isn't it? I've just spent some time whale watching on a boat and it is funny, even just three or four hours and you get off and it's whoa, you got So used to moving with the boat that the ground feels like it's moving.

Dianne: 24:21

Yeah. And that rail watching, see that's my passion too. So I want to go down to the Turks and Caicos. Where the humpbacks come down to breeding calf every year. And I think it would just be absolutely when we finally get to that point, it would be absolutely wonderful to have reiki classes where people fly into that. Yeah. They can stay, it's like I have a boat that has it. It's a two bedroom, two bath Really. Tri level, all impacted in, in, in 600 square feet.

Pamela: 24:56

Amazing. And it probably, probably isn't that bad to clean. Easier than a bed and

Dianne: 25:03

breakfast. Definitely. Oh

Pamela: 25:08

my gosh, Diane, that sounds so amazing. We have humpbacks up. in around Camp Balo. And there's two males, Kork and Chevron, that are a pair. They're partnered. And they, they just, they are always together. They surface just one right after the other. And the last time we went out whale watching, Cork and Chevron just stopped eating, they stopped feeding, and they just kept surfacing around our boat. They just were soaking in the Reiki. And they must have really loved it because when we taught the class, they stayed right out in the harbor. We kept seeing them. And then when I took the students down to show The house that we're getting ready to create to make an Airbnb from so people can come stay with me on the island for classes. One of the gals didn't have sea legs and she wasn't able to get there in time for the whale watching. She missed it. But while we're out on the front porch, the whales came right by the window. She was able to see them, and then they kept coming around during class right out, right outside the living room window. I love that. But I think you said in the Turks and Caicos, can you even get in the water with them or something? Yes, you

Dianne: 26:26

swim with them. Not a lot of scuba dive, you snorkel. And I've done it. I think I've done about five, five different times and had whales literally, like you're talking about, literally come in and, and you look at the pictures from water and I'm only six feet away from them and they're swimming around you and we had one that actually called us over to, he kept breaching and we kept, so we were driving over to it in these little inflatable boats and Once we got over there, he said, okay, get in the water. And so we did. We swam with that whale for two hours. I just two hours. hE was like, these are my people.

Pamela: 27:09

When you are ready to offer that class, let's do a podcast and let people know, because I also would really like to come down for it.

Dianne: 27:20

So much fun. It's just amazing. And and they do, they feel that energy and they react to it. It's just.

Pamela: 27:28

One of the fishermen said, so strange, those whales have been in the harbor all night. And my friend and I, we'd been, we were in the Reiki class together, and we were just walking before class the next day, the second day of class. And we just looked at each other and grinned, and we thought, oh that's not a surprise. He goes, hey, that's very unusual. They never left. They stayed in the harbor right out here, right in front of our house all night. I think they do love the energy. Yeah,

Dianne: 27:58

we have a little secret. We

Pamela: 28:01

do, and I did talk to the whale watching girl, Stephanie, I said, because it was, I asked her, and we also saw Minky that day, and the porpoises were around us, they wouldn't, Leave and which we loved and the eagles were flying and the hare, we must have seen five or six herons that were around. And I said, Is it usual to see that amount of whales and wildlife and to have them with you the whole time? And she said, No, that was the only day all season that was like that. And I thought, Okay, that makes sense. They like the Reiki. And do you know something, Diane? I don't know if you've come across any right whales, but the North Atlantic right whale is endangered. There's only I think three or 400, there are only three or 400 in the world. And they had left our harbor near Campobello and it had been four years. Two days after we finished teaching the master, the animal Reiki masterclass, they came back. And four of them, four of them came back and they stayed the rest of the season there and everybody had assumed that the waters had warmed so much because it is, our bay is on the coast, the Gulf of Maine, which is the fastest warming body of water on the earth right now. And so that feeds our bay and they assumed that it was just too warm for the right whales food supply. But I don't know what happened as soon as we were done teaching Reiki. They showed up and people that were whale watching, they just, they fell to their knees. They were in tears. They just couldn't believe it. And the students and I from that class, we were like we're not going to say anything, but. Maybe Reiki had something to do with that. I don't know if you ever see them, the Right Whales, because

Dianne: 30:01

I've never seen the right whales. No, I've only seen the hump, the humpbacks. Yeah. Yeah. They're the right whales are the humpbacks come into this place called the silver banks, which is really only about 90 feet deep. It's very shallow, and that's where they come into breeding calf. It's their migration every year. In different pods. do different things as they come in toward the equator to and Costa Rica. In Ecuador, you have whales, humpbacks that come up through through that path up into up to Costa Rica and Panama. Yeah. And then,

Pamela: 30:37

yeah. I love the whales. Sorry to take over.

Dianne: 30:43

I have to say I had a funny little experience the other day. I was like, I was sitting on the back and a little dolphin came up. I was like, I couldn't figure out what he was doing. He had a little fish, a little tiny little silver fish and he was playing with the fish. He came, he wasn't, three feet off the boat and he was looking at me and he flipped the fish up in the air and he'd catch it or he'd go over and get it and he'd come back and he'd flip it up in the air and he'd like he was just and watching me and we were just it was so fun he was like yeah I can do these things let me show you

Jay: 31:17

that is

Pamela: 31:19

adorable they're fascinating and Dan I've been, like, I had a calling and I know that's why we wound up with the Campobello House. And just like you said Reiki made it all happen. It was just seamless and effortless and it wasn't even something we thought was a possibility, but then there it was. But I really felt like the ocean was calling for Reiki and that I needed to go and do Reiki for the ocean. Do you get a sense of that too? Yes.

Dianne: 31:47

Oh, absolutely. I'm supposed to be on the water. And, and it's it's, I, that's why I can't wait to get out there. I feel like I'm still a little confined, even though I'm, sitting, I've got to get more out into the ocean. And explore it,

Pamela: 32:03

and explore it and send Reiki. Get the Reiki. I love

Dianne: 32:06

it. But the drop of water is everywhere. You, Reiki, one drop of water it is the ocean, that is true.

Pamela: 32:13

And I, yeah, I know that we used to imbue crystals with Reiki and place them in the, I, the, I'm on Hidden, at Hidden Brook Farm and we'd place them in the brook and we would invite the Reiki to go. from the streams, the brooks, to the rivers, to the ocean, to the evaporate and rain on the earth. And yeah,

Dianne: 32:34

you're right. And that's where Jay comes in because he's putting crystals up there on top of the mountain. Yeah,

Pamela: 32:42

later. So Jay, let's swing to you. This, you moved to Ecuador. That's

Jay: 32:51

Ecuador. That's

Pamela: 32:53

pretty big.

Jay: 32:54

Northern part

Pamela: 32:55

of South America. Changing, yeah, even North America, like you, you grew up in Utah and you've lived in Nevada, I believe. And then now Ecuador, like this is huge. How did Reiki influence it? And how? Are you adapting? And the last time we spoke, your, you showed me afterwards, you had your computer on a suitcase, because you had just, it was your first day in your new house. You weren't unpacked yet. Have you got a chance to unpack? Tell us about this adventure.

Jay: 33:29

It's been such a long little process. And the thing is to start the beginning is that I had always felt called to South America. Many, for many years. And four years ago I did an interesting little session with Kathy Milonowski. And and yeah, she said, you're going to go to South America. I

Pamela: 34:01

love Kathy. She's my turn too as well. Yeah.

Jay: 34:05

Yeah. And, but yeah, that, and that was not a surprise to me because yeah, that was part of my, I had no idea where. Okay. What or anything like that, but I also. I felt called to learn Spanish and perhaps teach in Spanish Reiki, and so part of my passion has always been Reiki. And I, even though I was, I had learned Reiki, I was starting my Reiki practice and I lost my corporate job and so I needed the security. I didn't trust Reiki enough yet. And so I went into nursing. But Reiki worked with me beautifully in nursing and it was a beautiful experience and I had learned so much through Reiki in that nursing career, but I still wasn't living my passion. I still wasn't able to embrace Reiki full time which is something I really knew I needed in my life. And so I was trying to come up with a long term plan to survive. As a nurse in Las Vegas, knowing that I would never retire. I would continue to work forever and ever. And so then Karen Kegg had introduced the concept of coming and visiting Ecuador. And it just blew my mind, absolutely I wanted to, and the idea of moving there, here. And so I thought, okay, that's actually a good retirement plan. So maybe in two to three years. I'll start planning now to do that and the energy just, even though I had made a good plan, I was driving to work and I was not happy. I was just totally not comfortable with where I was at and where I was going and then that little Reiki voice just came in and said you don't have to do this. This is plain as day. Here I was, you don't have to do this. And I thought I don't, I'm not old enough to draw social security or anything like that. How am I going to live? I don't have funds set aside. He goes, yeah, you don't have to do this. You can sell your house and with a little bit of equity that you have in your house, you'll be able to move and live in Ecuador. You could do that now. And so by the time I reached work, I knew I was going to put that particular job and continue with another job that I could earn more income, even though it was extremely stressful, and I started that process. I started, boom, that day. That was even before we made our first trip to Ecuador. Wow. So you knew. I knew. Unlike Diane, I'm a, I love the mountains. I'm sure Diane probably loves the mountains too, but I thrive in the mountains. I don't want to, a lot of the retirement places I was considering were on the water. And while I love visiting the ocean, I love visiting, I don't, it doesn't fill my daily need of being in the mountains. Which, which I love. So I'm up here, and high in the Ande Mountains. For Americans this is 8400 square, or 8400 feet high. Wow. At the equator, which means I'm probably closer to the sun here than I would be if I was on top of Mount Everest because of the bulge of the equator. I'm situated in between two volcanoes. Wow. Extinct volcanoes. Yeah, but. But beautiful, so I have beautiful views. So I was able to sell my house with the money I had earned in the last year as a nurse and put into this house. I own this house outright. So I have no debt on a house. And it's gorgeous. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful house. And so now I'm able to do Reiki full time. And that's a huge adjustment. And like Diane, I don't have a car. I don't have the stress of owning a car. And guess what? I can walk to town.

Pamela: 38:39

That's amazing.

Jay: 38:39

15 20 minutes I can walk to town and do my shopping and all the little teen tiny shops and meet people. It's a small community and I absolutely love it. And if I start to, if I buy more than I can carry, then I can always grab a taxi for a couple of dollars. and get back home. So life is much simpler, less stressful, I'm eating healthier, and I'm able to teach here, and I'm able to do sessions here and, just like what Diane was saying, my previous plan was, I still, I still wanted to travel in, or teach in the United States, but also travel to here to teach here, but this simplifies things. I can base here, I can still teach, And be here, I have great internet, so if anyone's thinking about being a digital nomad, this is actually a good place to do it, because the internet is great. So yeah so I'm, what was interesting though this last week I got a little message that I could have gone Reiki full time and stayed in the United States. I just didn't have the confidence to do it. Okay. And so Reiki had to take me out of that comfort zone that I had created for myself there to be able to do this full time. There's a lot of other things I'm supposed to be doing here as well. Maybe, maybe what maybe is teaching in Spanish, I don't know, but there's other reasons I'm supposed to be here. So it's just been some of my nursing is coming out where I'm volunteering for people who are at that end of life stage. So we have a lot of people here and that's been beautiful and I've had just some beautiful little connections with some of the European and North American. U. S. and Canadian citizens that do live here in the community. So I'm just grateful that Reiki allowed me to do this, and this process for me was extremely easy because it just taught me to let go. Just for today, do not worry. Just for today, do not worry. I had a buyer for my original house in Las Vegas that said, you need to be out in two weeks. type of a thing. Shoosh, okay. So I round and got an estate sale going. Then that sale fell through. And so I said, let's go ahead with this estate sale. We've got everything ready to go. Let's just go. It's got to, everything's got to go anyway. And then to be able to release those possessions, really, they were just became things. I thought, okay, I just bought this beautiful desk and I spent XYZ dollars on this beautiful desk. And guess what? It doesn't matter. It can go, I don't, so I probably got 10 percent value what I paid for that desk. And it was okay. Because that was something that was holding me back. It was a possession that was keeping me locked in place and not allowing me to be free to do other things that I needed to do. So that was just teaching me so many little things about moving here and learning to, learning that, even though, I'm a hermit at nature, but I can be, a little bit more extroverted when I'm out in public. And I'm, my Spanish has improved, not because I'm studying Spanish, but because I'm interacting with people.

Pamela: 42:25

That's the best way. That's how I learned French, Jay.

Jay: 42:29

And making divine, those divine connections with people has just been amazing. So affordability though is, was a huge thing for me. So my cost of living is a fraction. And what it was when I was living in Las Vegas, and the cost of living in Las Vegas is not bad compared to other western parts of the states. And so that's just for people, because some people that consider, international living and taking a Reiki practice something more affordable. You may have a passion for, being on the ocean like Diane, maybe you love the beach. There are so many different places that, that you can actually take your practice and realize your practice on a more fully, full basis, full time basis than you're doing now. And just allow Reiki to move ya.

Pamela: 43:24

They make you look after

Jay: 43:25

it. Originally I was thinking, I'm not a nomad, I put down roots. But no, yeah, I am, maybe I put down roots, because I put down roots everywhere I go. Because I do plant crystals wherever I go. Just like Diane said, when I travel to Europe, I take a little crystal with me and I planted a crystal outside of the Vatican, I've planted, I

Pamela: 43:46

planted one, a little goddess crystal at Stonehenge.

Jay: 43:49

I know you're not supposed to, but I. I'm not going to tell anyone. Okay. Yeah but I know there, this is just the beginning of more adventures. So exciting. Oh so this month, this last Monday, some of you may have seen Karen Kegg's Facebook page, so I needed a TV. I finally said, okay, I need a TV. I would love to have a printer. I'd like to have a desktop monitor. And so we drive to Columbia. We have a friend who had a truck and we drive to Columbia. And so I buy a nice tea, nice TV and a monitor and a printer. And of course Karen purchases cat food'cause she can get cat food there. So it's cheaper. And well, Ecuador is, has a has a high tax on electronics. Okay. We got caught coming across the border with electronics. So we were detained. All electronics were confiscated. And for two hours, we waited until they came up. Okay, you have to pay this amount of money. It was like 25 percent of the value of, and I had no problem paying it because, I knew that They did it for two hours, but here we are with all these different immigrants coming in and out of this little port, this little border city. One time, Karen, there were these Hong Kong, people from Hong Kong that didn't speak any English, didn't speak any Spanish, they were coming through the border. And Kara knew three, three words of, Mandarin and, I know, and so it was just fun. And so here we are, sitting there being patient through the process. And I, I told Kara, I said like that movie Up, adventure is out there. And so adventure is out there. And even if it is just being at a border. Crossing and just waiting to get your TV taxes paid and coming through. There's a lot and there's a lot more adventures to come.

Pamela: 45:58

I love, it occurs to me listening to you guys, I was thinking that I wasn't very adventurous and then I thought, wait, we have to cross a border every time we go to Campobello and actually our border guards, you have to be very conscious of what you're allowed to take in and out and we have to go to do groceries in the states and gasoline in the states, there's no gasoline on our island or anything like that and And but the border guards actually many times, the dogs are with us and of course they're, they have to be up to date on their shots and everything, which they are, but they'll say Are your dogs allowed to have treats? And quite often, the border guards, the Little Island is such a friendly place, they have little treats. for the dogs. So the dogs get very excited and get over to the windows and try to let the border guards know that they're there. And it's an adventure. And then as I'm hearing you speak, I'm like, Oh yeah, Reiki led me into the adventure of politics where I'm just, that's a whole other world where I'm learning so much. But so yeah, I guess Reiki, the adventures can be different, can't they? Very

Dianne: 47:03

different. Yeah. Doesn't have to be just physical location either, does it?

Pamela: 47:10

It occurred to me listening to you like, yeah, I guess we all are having these wonderful adventures. And for the listeners, I know you're probably missing Karen Kegg. She would have been with us today, but she just wasn't available, unfortunately. And but we'll talk to her again soon. Guys. This has got to have led to some personal transformation for you. Can you describe that and also how your practice has evolved to, to take this in? Jay, I'm so excited about your crystal course. And Diane, how about if you start what is this? whAt evolution do you feel that you've gone through with this adventure?

Dianne: 47:48

That's actually a hard question for me. It actually felt like it was I know I've evolved I know it's expanded. And I guess it was just such a natural progression. I never really thought about it. It's just, I am like Jay. I am actually more, private. I don't spend a lot of time. I don't even I don't go on land. Usually maybe once a week. I'm on the boat all the time. So not interacting a lot with. With everybody, but it's it gives me more time to be, more interest and introspective, and work on, but I'm connecting with people all over. I'm, I've got Calls in zooms and it was students and always, and clients, and just working with people, I was like, I had one, one client that was a student that came to me for one and two and her husband had pretty much the cancer that said, it's. Get your fares in order, and she came to me and we worked and worked, with a lot of Reiki and work and just this past this past month, he got cleared of this it's I couldn't even tell you what it is, but it was in the blood it was the, and it was It's just amazing and, and just feels so good to be, still be a part of that that community that you can, you set up to just help people and help them find their own inner healing. It's really, so I'm, yeah last summer we spent in North Carolina at a place in North Carolina and there was a gentleman there that we connected with who had a lot of health issues and so I would give him Reiki a lot and then said, you need, we're leaving, we're You need this. And so he got the level one and how it helped him and got him through so much both with his heart and just a lot of, there was a lot of things going on there, but it was just wonderful to be a part of that, and it's so I'm, my nomad is just taking me to different places and where I need to be working at that time, For whatever reason, that's amazing. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know how I could say. I personally, yeah, you know you've expanded, you feel it. Of course, yeah. Yeah, it's fine.

Pamela: 50:26

But it was organic, it sounds and do you find life simpler, Diane? Pardon? Do you find that your life is simpler on the boat? Because I know you talked about, the water and the electricity and the different and the mooring lines and the things that you have to be conscious of. But is there a simplicity to it?

Dianne: 50:43

Oh, yeah. It's being, just being off the grid and just getting connected with just the basics of being part of nature. I guess I always enjoyed walks in the woods and stuff like that. But in my house. I was in my house, and I'm not actually getting out into nature like I, I'm floating in it. You're floating in it,

Pamela: 51:06

you're surrounded by it. And you look amazing, and one of the last times we talked, was about the cancer that you had overcome, and so your health is obviously flourishing. Yeah.

Dianne: 51:19

That was simple. We got on the boat just as I was starting the cancer treatments and everybody said, Oh, you'll need a place. You don't want to be on the boat with that. And it was like with Reiki, Reiki was mainstay in my treatments. It got me through it. I never got nauseated. I guess that's what they were thinking about the boat doing this and you're going to be nauseated. And I went, yeah. I never got nauseated. Chemo did not affect me in that way at all. I got some neuropathy problems that it took me a while to work through but nothing that I couldn't work through with, but the, there was no nausea when I did. And I did the radiation too. There was no other, there was no side effects with that either. But I was reikiing myself the entire time. It was always there. with that. And I did other work too. I really went into the cause and what's the emotion that's actually, digging into that. So yeah, it took me less than a year. And then when I got that completed, then we could say, okay, now we can take off and go.

Pamela: 52:27

And is it complicated to go from, one port to another or the docks or

Dianne: 52:32

not complicated. It would be at the front end. I have to say I did actually in my, in a previous marriage life, we did live on a boat in the Bahamas for a For 3 years on and off and I understood navigation. I got a pilot's license, so I had to learn how to navigate, so to me, it wasn't, it was just another way of navigating and figuring it out but and now you've got GPS and all this stuff, and I said, all we had then was a piece of paper, be careful there, and we still survived pretty good. So now it's much easier. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't, it's exciting every time we say, okay, it's time and we untie the lines and off we go. Yeah. It's exciting. New adventure. Yeah. Off again. So I love it. I wish to point out our boat is named Wu Wei. That's W U W E I. And Wu Wei is a Taoist term for using the forces of nature to propel you forward. And so I say that's what this boat is bringing to me and teaching me and my husband how to do. Yeah.

Pamela: 53:56

Did you name the boat or was it already named that?

Dianne: 53:59

Oh, we named the boat and my husband named the boat. It's like going with go with the flow is a simple way of looking at it, but it really is a Taoist. Yeah. So it's teaching me how to go with the flow. Thank you,

Pamela: 54:22

Diane. And Jay, what about you? I know you're going with the flow down there too, which is lovely. And you're enjoying the new culture. And what have you noticed for personal transformation style? And we know that things have changed for you because now you're to do more Reiki, but what have you noticed personally?

Jay: 54:41

For me, previous to moving here, I learned how powerful Reiki was even in little teeny tiny amounts of time. I may not, when I was working 12, 13 hour days, I didn't have time to spend a lot of time working on Reiki practice on myself, I was able to learn to do it daily, but really quickly. Now, I'm able to go a little deeper. and so now I'm, so sometimes, that can be challenging going a little deep and I expected that and I'm enjoying that. Seeing and appreciating that. So my practice is very different now. So getting up in the morning, early in the morning, because I still get up pretty early and most mornings I'm putting on the Reiki chance music and just starting my day with Reiki chance and, and as odd as it may sound, I do a lot of Reiki in the shower, because it is a cleansing process. aNd I'm not in a hurry to have to get to work.

Pamela: 55:50

That must be so different.

Jay: 55:52

So different. And then I'm always constantly, for me, looking at different Reiki possibilities. So this is something that's really interesting. Just this class I had last week, this last week, on Friday, Saturday. It's a Reiki One and Two class. So I have grids created and maps. where I send Reiki to, and places where potentially I could help influence Reiki. I may never see that country, that place, that city, but I'll send Reiki to it. And so as I was reviewing, I was going, Oh, there's some Dominican Republic came up to my mind. And so I looked at the two major cities in Dominican Republic, and I was doing Reiki, and that was just within the last three weeks. I should say that. Wouldn't you know, two of the students in my class were from the Dominican Republic. Now, they didn't live in the Dominican Republic. They lived in the United States, New York and New Jersey, but they were both had roots from the Dominican Republic. And I was just doing Reiki, and so yes, I was influencing the Dominican Republic, because these are people who, they still travel back to Dominican and hope to take Reiki to the Dominican Republic. So I just love seeing how Reiki can help us evolve into different cultures and into different places. And it's just amazing to be part of that. And just watch that unfold. My, my experience is I don't have to worry about gas so much. Cause I try to make things a little bit simpler in my house. I don't have propane tanks. I said, okay, all electric, because I don't like running out of hot water in my shower when I'm doing my Reiki. But then after I have my house built, now we are having rolling blackouts. Because we don't, we're not hydroelectric dams. sO when I'm teaching I have my an integral battery supply Yeah. Power supply that I'm keeping my inter internet going. So even though I'm not, I don't have power, I'm still connected to the internet. Some I'm learning a little things like that. Those were contingency plans, I think. Every practitioner, Reiki teacher should have

Pamela: 58:29

because things happen. I have to have them here because whenever I'm teaching Reiki classes or other energy classes like my horse work or any of that it'll be a nice sunny day with a light breeze and we'll lose power. So I have to have a Jackery box to, I sometimes have to quickly switch the internet to my phone. And then tell everybody, okay, just give me a minute to go plug everything in and let it reset. And then you're able to come back and teach the whole class. And at first we had a generator, but that does make a bit of noise outside so that now we've got a Jackery box and I can teach a full day if I need to on the Jackery box. And then we can charge everything with the generator overnight so that I can do it again and the next day if I have to. But yeah and so it's Great that you have

Dianne: 59:21

that.

Jay: 59:22

And what was really interesting is that so like the first couple weeks after I, when I made the actual move here, I was felt compelled and we weren't having the rolling blackouts then. I felt compelled that I needed to get some good uninterrupted power supply just, and so we made that a little trip to Columbia because they do have a little bit better selection of electronics there. And I was able to buy two decent ones there and come back. And then I was just, all of a sudden, just this last week, I was amazed. I was like, Oh my gosh, Reiki is what told me to do that. And it was emphatic that I needed to do that. And now, when I, when we were there Monday, they didn't have them. They had some smaller ones that would not. Be sufficient for what I need, had I waited to get them, I would have been out of luck. I needed to get them then, I think I got the last two of that particular, strength, battery strength. Yeah. Back then, and I just, oh my gosh, I just, I feel so blessed that Reiki is working with me that way and that I'm allowing it to, And I'm listening to it.

Pamela: 1:00:46

That's a big transformation that you talked about was trust. You're really trusting, Jay. Yeah

Jay: 1:00:53

I knew it was important for whatever reason. It was emphatic important. And, there you go. There we go. So yeah. So I think that's, we have to trust. Reiki wants us to trust it. Reiki's not going to work unless we trust.

Pamela: 1:01:10

And sometimes it's just small steps. You don't all, we don't all have to quit our jobs and move to another continent, but

Jay: 1:01:18

but sometimes you do bigger stuff. Look how many years I've been practicing Reiki. I know. How many years have I been manifesting being able to do Reiki full time. So yeah, it didn't happen just overnight. It happened over, more than a dozen years. That I've been retesting, evolving and changing and finding the right formula that works for me. Giving me the experience that I needed to be able to step into it. Had these types of things evolved 12 years ago, it would have been a complete

Pamela: 1:01:56

disaster. You wouldn't have ready. Ricky knew that. Ricky knew that.

Jay: 1:02:00

So Rey's not going to just say, move to Bolivia tomorrow. No. We could but it's gonna prepare us first. It's gonna make sure we have the right tools.

Pamela: 1:02:14

And let's make it roll together. Yeah, even the Campobello house, we were, I just kept getting called to the ocean and it was complicated. Every weekend we were camping in our little truck tent and so that I could do Reiki for the ocean. And I thought, I think we need something a little, that I can stay here longer and do more. And we never thought we could afford a little house on the water, and then there it was, so it's so strange how it works. And speaking of the water, Diane, do you find that being on the water influences your classes and your sessions? That water element.

Dianne: 1:02:50

tHe flow it, I guess it does on a different level than my students are aware of. But of course. There are times when I have to take the computer and I go, when we need to do things where I need to stand up and I can't stand up, I'm sitting here and, so I take it out on the back and I'm in, and everybody's going, Oh, look where you are, and really grasping that you can do this from anywhere and it's, Just be open to the possibility instead of saying, how can I, you go, how can I do this? Yeah, and just step into it. The water influences me and I guess you'd say that influences everything that I do, including teaching in the Reiki, all the work. It does, as my boat says, go with the flow, go with the flow.

Pamela: 1:03:48

You've probably got, all of the elements there, earth, water. Fire and air. So it's yeah, going

Dianne: 1:03:56

with the flow, which is interesting because I'm an air sign. Really? I'm a water. On the water. On the water. With a husband who's an earth sign. That's interesting. Yeah. And

Pamela: 1:04:13

Jane, what would you say about the Ecuadorian culture and the Environment. How has that influenced your teaching, would you say, being in the mountains, being on the equator?

Jay: 1:04:29

That so one of the interesting things about where I'm living is that there are a lot of Native, Indigenous people who live in this area. It's just within the last 30, 40 years that they've actually been able to fully participate in society. Because they were very much sidelined by the mainstream population. And but what's interesting is that all of the Ecuadorians had origins from that indigenous population. But they're very connected to the energy of the earth, the energy of the sun the water elements. So they're very energetically connected that, this way. And I just find that fascinating. And there's so much to learn from their culture. Yes. Things that are very different here is that, they don't have high taxes. The taxes are very small. Of course, they don't have, we don't have major freeways. We don't have as many car accidents and car fatalities because you can't drive as fast. And but so then you have small communities that have roads. How are those roads maintained? They're not necessarily maintained by the municipality. Sometimes they're maintained by the people who live in that. community. Wow. And so they may get together as a community and do work together to make improvements. So there is a lot more spirit of collaboration which is fascinating. And then so sometimes us, coming from heavily taxed society, where we expect the fastest of the roads, we expect roads without potholes. They can take it upon themselves to be part of the change and fix things themselves. But also, they're also very much family centric communities. So they're multi generational families taking care of and helping each other. And that's something that's quite different and I think is beautiful to see. I see happiness and joy. I see children having fun, even though we would consider it poverty. They're still eating well. They're not starving, but they don't have the necessities that we would expect, think this is a necessity. And they're just, they're but they're people's, they still have joy. And so that's why I just think it's fascinating is sometimes what we think is, as a, as important, maybe it's really not that important. The fact that they can not have material things, but be happy. How many of us, when we have material things, we're still not happy. Yeah. And so it's a wonderful learning experience, learning about such cultures. Yes, there are problems. Absolutely. There are problems in each, every community and every, in all of society. But it's just neat to be able to see different perspectives and how they solve problems. It

Pamela: 1:07:44

almost sounds like you're going back in time a little bit. Oh

Jay: 1:07:48

my gosh. Yeah. The fact that you can have. There are no major corporations in the community. Wow. No major corporations. You have small farmers coming to market and bringing their produce into the market to sell their produce. And so you get fresh, organic produce. You have all, if I want to buy paper cups, I have to go to one store. If I want to, to buy bananas, I'm going to go to another little vendor down the street. If I need, buy a pharmaceutical, I'm going to Go to a little pharmacy over here, if I, so it's all individually owned stores. They're all individually owned merchants, which is just absolutely wonderful to see

Pamela: 1:08:38

that. And I should mention that it's agreeing with you every time I see you. You look healthier, you look more vibrant,

Jay: 1:08:46

it's amazing. And I'm feeling more, I'm feeling the energy of the earth, feeling the energy of. Being able to eat more sustainably and healthy. I love connecting with the animals and that are here. We have in town, we have pigs and sheep and llamas and goats and, dogs and cats. And I had a frog visit me yesterday. I was just so thrilled, this little frog and I have beautiful birds around and, to being able to appreciate nature. iS huge. So like Diane, being able to appreciate nature, the beautiful creatures of the ocean and the plants of the ocean. It just neat to be able to experience that. I love it.

Pamela: 1:09:42

Guys, how do you, and I'll start with you, Diane, how do you balance the uncertainties of the, of your lifestyle and how is Reiki helpful there? I,

Dianne: 1:09:53

of course, like I said, I use Reiki for everything. So when something is uncertain, it's like it's an automatic bringing it in, but it's not it's a different mindset quite frankly, for me, it's not I've learned to not look at uncertainty as something to be afraid of. buT to be, to embrace what it's, where it's going to lead me. I think Jay was, Jay will agree, is agreeing with me. We both have embraced what I'm hearing is a very simple lifestyle compared to what you have. Out in the cities or whatever. So it's, and going into more of the natural way of doing things. So the uncertainties really don't, they just don't, they don't bother me too much. I expect change. That is what I'm living is. Things are always going to be changing, and the uncertainty of the weather, of course, is always front and center for us because it affects us immensely, where, you just go inside your house sometimes opposed to major things, but you go inside your house, and you're protected, and you forget about the fact that it's blowing, and raining, and everything, and you just, you feel protected, but here we're not so protected so much that we, but it's just part of the it's part of the way of life, to really embrace that. So you're embracing it. Yeah, I just say embrace it. Don't, don't let it. I'm not saying that things don't affect me. It's like when I see a boat that gets off the mooring and I'm going, Oh, gosh, and I get a little flustered and I'm pulling some Reiki and I go, please, I'm not saying that, but I do embrace the uncertainties. We just have to figure it out. It's just. It's just going to be an inspiring thing to, to make us grow.

Jay: 1:11:54

One of the things that's coming to my mind is how much energy I spent in trying to make sure there were no uncertainties. And this is, and we spend so much of our time and energies to make sure that we don't have uncertainties to the point we're not living. And like Diane, I expect things are going to be different every day. I expect that, my power may go out and there may be no explanation, and I can't just phone call somebody. I actually have to walk into town and go to the office, and in my broken Spanish, try to explain to them my power's not on, and that's not part of a rolling block. Just expect these to happen, and to learn and grow from it, and and not worry about it. And just And it again, it's an adventure, the uncertainty is an adventure, and it's so much more freeing to live that way. I, and I know people, and I have extreme admiration for people who raise their families that way. I wish I would have had some of that skill set when I was raising my family. But yeah it's so liberating just to be able to try to go with the flow and yep things happen. Go with that.

Dianne: 1:13:20

Go with that.

Pamela: 1:13:21

And to, just to end, what advice would you give someone who's seeking to integrate Reiki into their life journey, especially if they're considering a major lifestyle change?

Jay: 1:13:36

Integrating Reiki first. Making sure you're grounded in Reiki first. Making sure that's your big, because Reiki is not going to steer you wrong. You just need to be making sure that you're in the flow of Reiki before you make the decision. That's really the biggest thing. Talk to Reiki. Send Reiki to your aspirations. Say, this, I'm feeling compelled to, or feeling that I need to. Do this and this, does this make sense? And see what kind of a message that you get. Sometimes it'll say yes, but it won't say when. And, and sometimes that's hard to I knew where I was going to be. I just didn't think it would take me this long to get there. Okay. It's okay, but now I'm grateful for the journey.

Pamela: 1:14:31

And you're grateful that it did take longer because looking back, you said you wouldn't have been ready.

Jay: 1:14:37

No, I wouldn't have been, even if I had tried to do this four years ago, two years ago, it would not have worked.

Pamela: 1:14:42

So it was perfect. And I love that you and Karen Kaig are, a stone's throw from each other. It's a good walk, but you're

Jay: 1:14:49

from each other. We meet in town for lunch, so it's nice to have that little social interaction.

Pamela: 1:14:55

Oh, it's lovely. And it just makes me happy that you're in a, close enough in community to support each other. So that's nice. And Diane, what about you? What advice would you give to people?

Dianne: 1:15:07

I'll build on that Jay said. He's right. Integrate Reiki first, because that will teach you how to trust guidance. And, and then through learning to trust the guidance, that actually is how your mi, your whole mindset changes about the challenges, to know that change and challenges are not your enemy, but they're your friend. They're here to help you grow. And but. But really learn that trust first, that, that inner relationship with your, with Reiki guidance, and then when you get that guidance, You can act on it but learn to, and that helps you to really change that, that whole mindset about challenges, like I was talking about, they're not something goes wrong, you go, okay, how did what can I gain from this? How am I going to learn? I have to get out of my, my, my little box of thought and figure it out and let it, and let my thoughts be guided to, Oh, let's try this. And Reiki will help with that too. Instead of letting it box you, not let it, it won't box you in, but you will box yourself in.

Jay: 1:16:33

Yeah, we're good at building boxes.

Pamela: 1:16:39

Okay, is there anything else you'd like to leave the listeners with before we go into our meditation today?

Jay: 1:16:45

Just allow yourself to explore in your mind first. Play it out in your mind. Allow Reiki to have that vision. if Maybe you're feeling that You need to go to Morocco and live in Morocco. Do that in your mind and allow Reiki to play that out in your mind first. So you just test the waters out. Just rely on Reiki. I guess that's the easiest way. Just rely on Reiki.

Dianne: 1:17:18

Once you build that trust, it will all come. I was talking about how I got on the boat in 2018 and I heard this calling and people would say what's your plan? How do you plan on getting on a boat? And I said, I don't have a plan. Exactly. I don't have a plan. What do you think you're going to win the lottery? Is that a plan? I was like, no, but I just, I'm going to trust that it's going to happen. And as it came about, it was like, as Jay was talking about, it was like effortless. When it all happened and we even, we've got situations here on the boat right now, and it's we had a big bill we have to redo our rigging, our sailing rigging, and it's expensive, and we're like, what are we going to do? And, a wind actually tore up something, created some damage, and now we are just getting ready, possibly to go back up into Florida, and have all of that taken care of by the insurance. Oh my gosh, amazing. And, and it's just allowing Reiki to work it out. And it took a while, that happened back actually in February. Wow. So it took us a while to get through all of that, but in the meantime we've just been enjoying life. But it, it's like now all of it's paid for and we don't have to worry about it. It's going to be taken care of. Just, it's just some patience. Trust requires some patience that it's going to unfold.

Pamela: 1:18:52

I, when we think Diane with politics, it's I don't really have a plan. I don't know, am I, obviously you're going to try to win the writing but. Will I? I don't know. I hope so. But, however, Reiki just said to do it. So we'll see what it has in mind.

Dianne: 1:19:11

Exactly. Yeah. I, you don't have to have a plan. In fact, sometimes that gets in the way. Yeah,

Jay: 1:19:18

exactly. Exactly.

Dianne: 1:19:20

You're right. And so you're not worrying about the, remember your, our precepts. Don't worry. Don't worry about the future. Don't worry about how it's going to happen. You just allow and just for today.

Pamela: 1:19:39

Thank you so much, you guys. You've given us so much to think about. And I'm just going to invite you to stay and we'll move into a meditation together to help people embrace their inner nomad. Okay, so I'm just going to invite everyone to make yourselves comfortable. You can sit or lie down if you'd like. Close your eyes, take a deep breath and just bring your hands into Gassho, activating your Reiki energy. And just feel the air that you breathe, filling your lungs, and on every exhale, release any tension or stress you may be feeling. And let's set an intention for this meditation. I invite Reiki to guide me in embracing my inner nomad and adventurer to explore the uncharted territories of my soul. Placing your hands comfortably on your body wherever you feel guided, I invite you to imagine the warm glowing light of Reiki above your head. This light is soothing and full of love and healing. Just visualize it gently descending upon you and enveloping you in a cocoon of peace and comfort. And we're going to take a journey through the elements today. Starting with earth, just feeling the energy of earth grounding you like the roots of a tree, moving deeply into the earth and embrace the stability and strength you feel here. And now we embrace the energy of water, the element of water, just imagining the flow of water, symbolizing adaptability and fluidity. As Diane has demonstrated, just let it wash away any fears and doubts, cleansing your spirit. Now we embrace the element of fire, holy fire. Just feel the warmth of the fire element, igniting your passion and courage to embark on new adventures. And now the element of air, it makes me think of the clean, crisp mountain air at the equator that you're experiencing, Jay. Just breathe in the freshness of that air, filling you with new ideas, dreams, and possibilities. As you bask in this energy, visualize yourself as a nomad, an adventurer, a soul free to explore and experience. See yourself walking on new paths with each step filled with curiosity and wonder, adventure, childlike wonder. Just allow Reiki to reinforce your inner strength and resilience and let's let our minds wander for a few minutes together. As we ask where Reiki would lead us, we give thanks to Reiki for this journey and this conversation and we send our Reiki blessings to Jay and Diane as we appreciate their courage and their sharing with us. I invite you to gently start to bring your awareness back to the present, just wiggling your fingers and toes, taking a deep breath. Bringing your attention to your eyes, slowly open your eyes and come back. You've now embraced your inner nomad and adventurer. I invite you to carry this spirit with you as you continue your day open to the endless possibilities that life offers. Thank you for being here today and thank you for being the beautiful light you are in the world. Namaste. And thank you, Jay and Diane. I appreciate you. Take care, everyone. Until next week. Bye.