Reiki and Religion - Islam with Muniqui Muhammad

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Transcript

Pam: 0:55

On this week's podcast, I'm talking with my friend Munai Mohamed and we've heard from him before, but I was really excited that he would join us for this series where we are talking about the religions in the world, peace grid. So all of the world's major religions, munchy Asia religions Munai is a follower of Islam. And as such is here to just help us understand and shed some of the misconceptions and misunderstandings around the Muslim religion today. So Munai thank you so much for being here.

Muniqui: 1:31

You're welcome. You're welcome. You asked an honor to be here. Very excited about this. Looking forward to all that will be said in this edition. All right.

Pam: 1:43

This is an idea that came in 2017. Moonka I was told to write a book called all roads lead home, and I was just shown by the Reiki energy that it really didn't matter what spiritual tradition we follow. We're all going to the same place. We're all made. We're all coming from a place of love. We are all trying our best to be good people and to be helpful to others. That we were following different religious and spiritual traditions, but we were all going toward God or Allah and no matter what name or source or the goddess, no matter what name we use, we are all exploring our divinity. So I'm really excited about this series of podcasts. It might still lead to that book. I do have the first three chapters written, so we'll see if this spurs it on and has the, chapters continue? I think it probably will.

Muniqui: 2:46

I really, it as your new book

Pam: 2:53

Now I know how to write a book. For those of you tuning in, thank you for being here before we get started. I just wanna let you know about a few of the things we have coming up at the farm. I do have some classes coming up in an Asian and European friendly time zone, which is evenings in Asia, very early mornings in north America and just a regular morning in Europe. And I've added a day to those. So I have the, what we call the RMA classes, which is the level one and two and master classes. Because when you study those with a licensed teacher, you qualify for professional membership in the I C R T Reiki membership association. And so that's something that a lot of people work toward or enjoy doing. I also have a couple of spectacular animal Reiki classes, level one and two in masters coming up on the magical island of camp. Abello this is a Canadian island that is off the coast of Maine. It's very international island. It's not so difficult to get to you. There's a land bridge from Lubec Maine, or you can get there through Canada through a couple of a series of fairies, actually. And in the middle of the course just as the level one and two is finishing and before the master class begins, I've actually booked us to get out on the ocean and to go see the whales. And hopefully we'll also see the puffins will be in the Puffin breeding site and we should also see dolphins or purposes dolphins. And seals and all of the other creatures. So if the ocean is calling you, like it's been calling me ever since I began working with animal Reiki. Please join us for that. In July in August, I have a Kaurna Reiki class in an animal communication class in an Australian friendly time zone. So it's very early mornings in Australia. It's evenings in north America and very early mornings in Asia. So if any of you are inclined to join us for that, please go ahead and do Monique I, what have you got coming up?

Muniqui: 5:15

we have coming up in July. We have Reiki one and two coming up. You can find that at our website healing, land, Reiki dot com, we just finished completing a holy fire Kaurna Reiki class. And we will be having other classes coming up, but we're because of work schedules, we cannot plan too far in advance. So like, for the month of July, we're having Reiki one and two coming up and we're looking forward to having a Reiki masterclass holy fire world piece Reiki masterclass coming up in August, hopefully, but please look at our website, healing, land, Reiki dot com for those dates. And so you can go there and find out about that. Yes. Thank

Pam: 5:59

you, Moai. And some of you may recognize Moai. He and Lena worked with the I C R T with William Rand and Colleen Benelli and, all of the wonderful I C RT staff and Robin Benelli to. Put together an incredible 100 year celebration of Reiki and you guys actually took us. You took us to the mountain Munai and walked up the mountain. It was fantastic. Lena took us to YSU E's birthplace truly a magical experience. And the funds for that went toward the Shinto shrine, I believe. And one of the other shrines at the,

Muniqui: 6:40

the proceeds went to the reconstruction work that is still ongoing on Mount. Is still recovering from the 2018 typhoon yes, devastated Mount drama. And so the proceeds are going to that, and they're also going towards the shrine and int village, which is Lu Ze, birth play literature, Sei birthplace. And so the funds are going to those two locations.

Pam: 7:09

Yeah. Which is just wonderful. And in fact, just a note that, that typhoon, that you're speaking of that occurred as William. Brought in the holy fire, three Reiki energy. He, brought that in between two typhoons, as I recall. And that, that did devastate the mountain.

Muniqui: 7:28

Yes, covering and yes. That was a very precarious time. And that was when holy fire three came in. And of course, since then there's been by three online and now we have world peace. So it's been two upgrades, but this is, that was the time when it came in under those trying circle in between two typhoons, two typos fire

Pam: 7:49

three came in the holy fire, three came in and the holy fire three really in my mind, It really shifted and changed everything. I think that's I know it was the holy fire three energy that allowed us to create the animal Reiki course. And so it's it's, just been incredible. I should mention, speaking of proceeds that in the whale class that I am offering part of those proceeds are going toward a whale rescue group that operates on Campobello island. So anyway would love to have you join us if you can. And before we get too far in, I just would like to invite everybody to bring your hands into Gassho and just activate your Reiki energy, bringing in your symbols. And today we listen with our ears, with our hearts, with our minds, with our chakras open and with every part of our being. Letting go of any brace in our body. And we listen in an attempt to understand and to experience that unification consciousness that the holy fire three energy has been bringing to toward us. in order to understand these different religious and spiritual traditions that we may not be aware of, or may not be privy to, and to understand the different perspectives. There are 7 billion people on the planet with 7 billion different perspectives at each time that we are able to learn from and appreciate another perspective

Muniqui: 9:46

we grow.

Pam: 9:52

I want to thank Munai for being here today, to explain to us the beautiful traditions around Islam. And I wanna thank you for showing up as well. And I hope that together we will all grow in our perspectives and our understanding so that there will be a wholeness and an appreciation for each other.

Muniqui: 10:29

Thank you.

Pam: 10:31

Blessings B Namaste. So Monica. And just wonder if you can tell us a little bit about your history. Have you always been a student of Islam or have you always followed the Muslim religion in traditions or did you start somewhere else when you were young?

Muniqui: 10:59

girl younger. I'm a third generation Muslim. My father and my mother came into Islam in around the sixties. And my grandfather was in Islam before that now. So I have always grown up in Islam. At a certain point, like many young peoples eventually you decide to just, eh, it's not, eh, okay. So I am one of these people who went away,

Pam: 11:35

we always push away what our parents do in order to find ourselves for a

Muniqui: 11:39

little while. Don't we? And I was living the life, doing whatever, what young people do, going to college, living the life, et cetera, and all the things that come along with that. yes. And yes. And what happened was that at a certain point in 1992, I was having a lot of upheaval in my life. A lot of relationship problems, study problems, and I'm just a person I've never really liked alcohol. I just never have. It's just that's, just me personally. It's a personal preference. Yeah. That even though a lot of, and though Muslims, we do not drink. Some do, but me personally, I've never liked the taste of it, but I knew I was in trouble when I was so distraught that I wanted to go get a six pack of beer and drink every can. And to go from zero to drinking all kind of alcohol, I knew I was in trouble. So one day in the, when I was at the university of Arizona, I, instead of doing the alcohol, I went for a run in a, like a, they have a section of what they call the U university of Arizona mall. That's a miniature replica. Of the great mall that's in Washington, DC, that big strip of land. Yes. With a miniature replica that, so I went for a run and I just resorted back to instinct. I was seeking my pain out loud, but because like I needed like a, I didn't wanna be talking to myself. So I just call, I just plucked the name, a law to speak to him. But at the time I was not a practicing Muslim was not a believer in that sense. And so I just went for a run and I asked for guidance on what was the best thing that I should do. Where the situation I was in and what happened as I was running is what it felt like was the equivalent of visualize that you're looking at someone running and suddenly a door appears and the person runs through the door. Now, of course, that didn't happen physically. But for me, what it felt like was I was running and asking a law for guidance. In an instant. I started, I got an answer and it wasn't an answer I wanted. And at that point I felt like the only way I could describe it is as though when the, in the olden days or when they open the door and they say the the prime minister of Canada or the president of the United States, someone announces the presence of someone with a lot of power and authority. And so I felt the presence of two, two beings, one very gentle, but very powerful. And the other was the representative, the speaker. And I admit, I thought I was losing my mind. I thought I was going crazy, cuz, oh my God, I'm hearing voices. Now this is messed up. I got all the other front. Now I'm hearing voices. But the messages were coming through very calming succinctly. I was speaking and I was getting answers. And so I thought I was tripping. Eventually over time, I started getting responses that were actually giving me guidance to little things to do that started me to be like, is this. And that began. And so I'm looking for answers. And so I was looking around and I had a lot of people about different faiths, a lot of different things. Okay. I hear you. But it wasn't until I talked back to my mother with a practicing Muslim and said, what's going on? And she started pointing out to me, various scriptures in the holy Quran, the Bible and other things in nature that. Confirmed and verified that I was getting direct interaction with the divine Supreme being Allah, God job, whatever, however name you wanna call it. And that she said, it's not strange. It's actually a normal thing. All human beings have the ability to speak directly to the, praying, the divine directly, and that being the God will answer you without any Intermed. We need intermediaries to help us to learn how to do so or to how compare, like you need a coach to help you to train, to get how to do it the way that'll get you the most results. And at a certain point you can, okay, now you got it from there. And that's what the human Intermed. Are there to help us to get it right? So then when you do that, then the human intermediary steps aside and lets you, or meet go on with God, with our relationship. And so from 1992, I've been through a series of exercises learning. I start, I started from scratch, relearning what it means to be a Muslim. So I didn't. Wow. I'm not a person who says like you could say yes, I was born in Islam. I was born into the Muslim tradition, but I went away and restarted over, started to relearn. I didn't, I not didn't go based on what I grew up with. I'm technically speaking, we could call it a new, I have the mind and energy of someone who comes at it fresh, and new. And and since then, everything that I have that has happened in my life since then has led me to being where I am today, including. And you can ask us if you want to know more, you can even ask about this. I was shown in 1993, that I would be living and working in Japan at the time. I didn't understand when, where, how, and plus I am a Spanish major. I, my degree is in Spanish. So Japan is not. Totally.

Pam: 18:21

There are a lot of countries you could have chosen

Muniqui: 18:24

Yeah, but like I was, again, I was shown that I would be among the Japanese people and, but it didn't come, it didn't manifest for another five years. And since then I was traveling, doing various jobs and everything. And I didn't know when, where, or how, but even that it gradually came about in a way that permitted me. And you have trust and confidence that yes, you're being guided. If you just breathe and trust the guide and the guidance that you're being given. and you'll no matter what it goes through, you will never be alone. And I never have been alone throughout any circumstance or ideal. I've always felt like I have, I can detect and feel the presence of the divine Supreme being and his messenger, no matter where I am, what I'm doing. And that's a blessing and it's really comforting in those difficult and trying times to, when you feel totally alone in what you're going through, but you can just reach, you can just, okay. It doesn't feel good right now. I'm going through those things. But I know it gives you the confidence of knowing that no matter how dark it is, the sun does rise in the morning. Even though it may be dark outside. That's feeling so I know that it'll be okay, no matter what. Okay. Looks like it'll be okay. Just breathe with it. Know you're not alone and know that you're being carried and guided. And so for me personally, that is what has been. For me, what's been carrying me through a lot of different ups and downs and things like that. And I have to go back to, I credit back to almighty God, a law and is bringing me, guided me back to Islam.

Pam: 20:40

I love that Munai and Islam I, love studying religions. I find that them fascinating. I find that you don't always understand all of the traditions, but then when you look at some of the traditions maybe that you grew up with new eyes, you realize, oh, people wouldn't understand those either. There um, but tell us a little bit about Islam and how you practice it, how you observe it. Tell us about some of the traditions and the practices in this beautiful religion, because I, do find the Muslim religion to be just beautiful.

Muniqui: 21:22

To a law. The thing about Islam, most people here know of the five pillars of Islam. That's you can find that's belief in a law and his messenger belief in his scriptures that he, the scriptures, the revealed word in the holy Quran and in the truth that is in the Bible. There is fasting either in their month of Ramadan or fasting in general, then there's charity or it's called in Arabic. And then there's also pilgrimage, which is a, if one is financially able, one is to make pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in their lifetime. Now these five pillars are there's the external real life physical example. There's the belief in the law. There's the prayer, the physical rituals of prayer, but they all have. Meaning life, meaning, excuse me, beyond the physical actions, the prayer. For example, when you see Muslims, you see us bowing down and placing our head down in frustration. That is to take these, the highest part of ourselves, our head, and put it in the lowest, most humbles position there is before the highest possible being. And therefore you have heaven, the highest possible part of us meeting earth. And in that, at that moment, we're actually in our highest, most elevated state. We're in complete communion with the divine Supreme being. And at that point elevates us. He exalts us. There's actually the relieving of our mind of stresses and worries. And it's relieved of us through the process of prayer fasting in the month of Ramadan, which just was completed a few a short while ago is to re oh, I'll put it this way. 11 months out of the year, almighty God would wants us to do the best we can, but one month out of the year, We choose to abstain from eating food, drinking fluids, and having conjugal relations with our loved ones during the daylight hours. And that time we are spending the time reading the holy Quran, which is the book of scripture of the Muslims. And it's divided into 30 parts. And we, at the end of 30 days, the goal is to complete reading the entire book. Wow. And when you have billions of people around the world at the same time doing it, that makes this book the most widely read book there is from cover to cover but what it does is this the fast thing between day and the daylight hours is actually a spiritual exercise because food is natural. So is drinking. Food is natural. So is conjugal relations with your loved one, but if you can sacrifice what is natural or a higher, cause it develops moral character strength. Cuz if you can abstain from what's natural, then you can abstain from what's unnatural, lying, cheating, stealing. Looking at another individual's companion with lust in your heart Ooh, she, or he looks good and I want them, but I have someone else know, but I feel the desire for them. If you can abstain from what's natural and develop the strength through fasting, then you can abstain from what's unnatural. That is one of the purposes of the fast of Ramada and then charity, the char, which is called Ze cot. Yes. The giving of money. But also, do you have a charitable spirit? Do you. Kindness, Andy and sympathy in your heart for other people who may not be as fortunate as you do you choose. If you in Islam with the principle is you are not a Muslim until you want for your brother or sister, what you want for yourself? What would I want for myself? I would, I want peace. I want tranquility. I want to be able to live in my house uninterrupted, as long as I'm not committing, breaking any laws or anything. Then if I want that for myself, then I should want that for others because there's a law in nature of what you give out, comes back. The law of reciprocity, what goes around, comes around. So how I want to be treated, I should be treating others that way or better. What I want to happen to me in my life. I should be doing that for others. When people are in positions that are less fortunate, it's not appropriate to look down on them with corn because one day, pardon me? Pardon me? We are all maybe one car accident, one misstep away from possibly being in that situation. If I was in that situation, how would I want to be treated? Would I want people to look at me is like, I'm like the refuge that like dis or would I want people to have a kind heart and maybe offer a smile or a kind word, or maybe just if you can buy a extra sandwich or something and. Flip it to the person, bless them. When was the last time they've eaten? That's another thing that the fasting does is it gives you the reminder of what people go through, who are not as fortunate as you, so you can taste hunger, taste deprivation, so you'll have more empathy and sympathy for them. And you'll be more, have a more charitable spirit towards them. And then pilgrimage, Mecca to the holy city of Mecca to meet with and be with. Almighty God, a law, you have different people of different ethnicities, different skin colors, different religions, different languages. Yet we all come to the same place. We take off our national dress, our national costume or clothing, and we all are wearing the same. So here you have the principle, the universal principle of both oneness and diversity. You have diversity of language, color, language, color, et cetera, cultural practice, but then you have oneness. You're all dressed the same. You're all focused on one goal to, to be here at the answer. The call of almighty God. That physical ritual of Hodge has the component of how do we live our life. We should be in pilgrimage spirit every day, striving to for oneness with our Lord putting off. Yes, we all are different colors, religions. Cetera, cetera, but are we not all moving toward the same place? Striving for the same goal, the oneness one being at one, a tone at one with our create tour. So that physical ritual, the physical rituals all have life meanings that we are striving to do. And so these are the. Now, of course, all Muslims are at different levels of understanding and we do different. So some people are focused more on the physical rituals and they can think they get that done. Fine. Great. But then there's the other higher meanings of them. And then there's also prayer, which is haven't gone over, but we have. Five times a day when we can make our prayers. And if you, look at the times of our prayers, Dawn early afternoon, mid-afternoon sunset and, sunset, or before going to bed, these all correspond to certain energetic rhythms that the human body goes through. Rising energy coasting. Digestive energy. If you look at a Chinese, what they call a Chinese medicine chart and you'll see the different energy cycles that the human body goes through. You'll see that those times of prayer correspond to when the body shifts into different energy modes, rising energy. And I don't know, I forget the, all the different ones there's a time for digestive energy and that's a, there are prayer times which transition the individual into that, and that keeps us in harmony and in lockstep with the natural energies and vibrations of our bodies. Of the earth of the accelerator system and of the universe. And this is other, some of the other meanings of why the Muslims have five prayers a day, but also the prayers are to keep their, the prayers, prophet, Muhammad peace, be upon'em said it like this. If a person took a shower five times a day, would they leave any dirt or cleanliness on their body? Obviously the answer's no, if they're washing properly so the prayers are to give us times as being spiritually refreshed so that it keeps the spiritual draws the, minus, the spiritual, the minus energies, and it takes, it cleanses us of it. So we're in a better position to be better people and then reflect that. And so when people come on, she says I feel. I really get a good feel from early freshman, all praises due to love.

Pam: 32:09

I love that. Munai that's just beautiful. And I know you mentioned Ramadan. Are there any other celebrations or any other holidays or things that you observe.

Muniqui: 32:24

Let's see, we have Ramada and let's see, oh goodness. What is it? In the traditional Muslim world. And I say traditional Muslim world, because I'm born, I have to just make this I'm born in the United States of America. So Islam looks differently because of the environment And because of the circumstances that Islam came to the United States of America. Now Muslims from who are immigrants or Muslims who still practiced the traditional Islamic ways that are refined in the mid in the different Muslim countries around the world. That's one thing, but I came to Islam through the nation of Islam and America, which came about to correct specific illnesses, spiritual, mental, and moral I illnesses that were present in America, that the traditional form of Islam from the west and the east from the east did not necessarily address. And the E and I'll have to give a simple example of what I mean by that is if you have this big hospital in the hospital, you have different departments, you have oncology for cancer, orthopedic gastrointestinal for the stomach region, heart surgery. So in the hospital, there's lots of medicine, but there's specific departments to handle specific illnesses or problems. Of course, then all doctors would give the general. Medicine of advice of eat more fruits and vegetables, don't smoke cut down your alcohol exercise, that's general maintenance medicine, but then you have very specific problems and specific departments to handle specific illnesses. While we in the nation of Islam is that way we practice Islam is to address certain specific illness, ills that are found in America that are not necessarily addressed in what you would call the traditional. Muslim world now, the traditional Muslim world, a lot of them, they don't understand that fact. So there's there's an in-house discussion that like we don't understand the way you all pressure Islam it's because you literally do not have the issues we're dealing with the same way you have to, if you have a stomach problem, you wouldn't go to the bone doctor. You have to, but it's all medicine. So that is a simplified way. I would try to explain that to maybe people who maybe don't understand that yes, Islam and America there is there's the traditional Islamic world. And then in the United States of America, there is the nation of Islamic. I am a registered member in the nation of Islam.

Pam: 35:26

That is fascinating Moai. And I just wonder I know that a lot of. misconceptions and misunderstandings and prejudice even sprang from what happened in nine 11 and with the beautiful Muslim tradition. And can you speak to that? And can you even let us know how did that affect you personally? I, have heard from a lot of people that were affected from it

Muniqui: 36:01

prior to nine 11. Islam didn't necessarily have the best of image in America or the Western Hite. And I just have to, first I have to back to actually go. There's a lot of misunderstandings about Islam, but it came about because of the crusades that happened in Europe and the early ages and cause of those wars, European people in general did not do not have a favorable, they don't have the best understanding about Islam and they don't really want to know anything about Islam nine 11 when it happened. I was, first of all, I was here in Japan and. And I had turned on the television to watch the news on another topic. And I, they broke the head, the breaking news story, and they immediately cut to when I saw the first tower as it was smoking, I physically saw, I was looking at the TV when the second plane came in and hit. And I was watching television the entire night And so immediately we knew that there were automatically, they were, there was blaming of Muslims and Islam. In fact, my. The, branch of Islam, we were under the nation of Islam. It was the newscasters openly said they, the nation of Islam are the ones who did it. One thing about the nation of Islam in America is we do not carry weapons at all. Not even so much as a pen knife, no guns, no knife. The truth. We believe that the truth is our weapon, the truth. And so we speak truth. And in this book, holy Quran, almighty God law tells us that we H truth at falsehood till we knock out the brains of falsehood while hurling truth is telling this that you tell the truth when nine 11 happened. a lot of people were looking for who was responsible. And at the time there had already been lots of movies out proclaimed that Muslims and Islam were become the new terrorists. Before that during the eighties and the seventies, it was always about the red Soviet red communist Soviets was it Rocky three or Rocky four and golf lumber playing the, big, strong Russians, big Russian big, rush. And and then the, evil Soviet empire. When the Soviet union fell. Somehow some way Muslims became the new boogeyman And if you just go back and look at movies in general, you'll see that now everyone was a bad guy is pictured as some wild bearded, crazed white bugeye individual with a sword in his hand. And he's out to destroy good. He clean, wholesome, proper the good clean, wholesome, proper America or the Western general.

Pam: 39:33

It's always, I've always noticed that it is easier to have an enemy and it when you have an enemy, it prevents you from looking within and seeing what needs to be what needs to be addressed there. And so it is, it's always preferable to have an external enemy. And I've noticed that when we don't have one, we. Tend to

Muniqui: 39:57

make one up yes. And so and just to finish your point, that's time to keep you going. But a lot of people, of course, nine 11 was a great tragedy. And from what I heard and what I, physically went into the cities here and there was suddenly big bookstores that were all about where, what is Islam? Holy Qurans, history of Islam and Japanese. And what my friends were telling me is that every library in America, every single book in there on Islam was checked out. Okay. Everything on bookstores, every library. Everything on Islam was sold out because people wanna know what is this? Who are these? Who are these people who attacked us? But the thing is, that to blame the entire Muslim faith and tradition. or something that some people did that very easy to do when it's then they, but, and I don't, and I'm not trying to be political or anything, but that's not saying that never seems to be the other way around when it's one of our group of people doing something wrong. Oh, then that's just an individual or she doesn't speak for the group, but when it's someone else, yet they collectively are wrong. Yeah. And so that is an unfair thing that happened, but a law turned it around because people who wanted to know about Islam A after nine 11, there was the biggest jump in people choosing to become practicing Muslims after nine 11, that it did not go down. There were a few people who did leave. They didn't feel comfortable, but the biggest spike in people declaring that I choose to now practice the Islamic. Religion came after nine 11. Wow. Because they, and so that's how, again, positive comes out of the negative. And so a lot of these people are became post nine 11 Muslims and different colors backgrounds, but they came about because of their Sei, what is Islam? And then they found, wow, this is beautiful. It's the way I wanna preface my life.

Pam: 42:44

I love that. That seems that's incredible. Would you say that you have any religious trauma or anything like that as a result of, that or that you had received some, and

Muniqui: 42:59

I would say this, I would say this, I would say it's very, to me is again, going back to the point that I just made, it's very disingenuous to ingenuous to put the whole blame on one group of people. But then but, then if I were to turn around and say I can do the same thing about certain historical facts over here. Oh no, that doesn't apply. And I, if you want, I can get specific, but I'm not getting specific. Just as an example I could, but I'm not doing that this moment, but I'm just keeping it general. I,

Pam: 43:35

once I once gave a, talk where I as, a Christian I, said we are responsible for most death. The most deaths dare to religious There was somebody who got very angry with me about it, but it is just a fact that yeah. That part,

Muniqui: 43:56

that part right there, I,

Pam: 43:58

think about the crusades and I remember reading about how was it Saladin, who showed mercy and allowed the crusaders to leave. And then shortly after that they, murdered every man, woman, and child and, had, and showed no mercy. And, so that's the spiritual tradition that I grew up in and, I'm aware of that and I own it. And I know that and also responsible for the witch hunts and things like that. And I, am descended from somebody who was hanged in the witch hunts. So I realize that there's, there is there's good and bad in, every religion and in every Interpretation. There's different interpretations, even within that. And and again, 7 billion people, 7 billion different perspectives. I'm sure that you don't share the same perspective as every other Muslim.

Muniqui: 45:08

Believe it or not, I'm actually in a discussion. Muslim right now about certain ver way about the way this individual and the way I interpret a few verses. So yes we have, of course in house, you have discussion. Notice that discussion You can look at something, you can be looking at the same thing, but coming from a slightly different point of view, it doesn't mean different perspective. But where it comes in with now with people of different backgrounds, is this, and we've talked about this before, is that the expression of an individual's religion? This is what we're taught in Islam. Yeah. Is that in this book? The Quran, a law tells us that he gave the people, he made the different tribes and nationalities and language. That we might know one another and that he's given each group a part of something and that most, the problem comes about when this group over here rejoices in their part and thinks that it is more important or more valuable than this part over here, this book tells us that is part of the problem of humanity, right? And that the same God that gives us the one water gives us fruits and vegetables of different colors, taste, and background. Look at the way the fruit and food look on the farm, or even the supermarket look at the different colors, taste, et cetera, but they're all watered with the same water. There's a, we're taught in this Kaurna. There's a lesson in that. You, can get different vitamins and minerals from this food. If you can't get it from that food. That means you can get knowledge and understanding from this group of people. Maybe you can't get it necessarily from your in group, but it's all coming from a law from God. Do we recognize and see him in what we are looking at? Or do we say. I practice this and you practice that. We're practicing different things. Wait a minute. We're all breathing the same air. So no matter what name you, you call the divine. It's not the name. It's not the tradition. If that if different aspects of the same truth. If I said a law in a that's a Arabic, I said the Lord in English, the OLS in Spanish, come in Japanese. Are we all gonna get together and start arguing about I pray to deals. I pray to I pray to the Lord. I pray to the communis well, but we're, you're basically saying the same thing, different and most people have an insecurity thinking that you're saying something different. The way the expression of the Muslims is not necessarily the same way. Or the expression of this other group, but there is unity and commonality. If we keep the divine in mind and in heart and see what he gave us over here, this, he gave them over here that so that we can learn from each other.

Pam: 48:45

Other exactly. I agree. There's a, pie diagram that I saw once in a hay house presentation. And it talked about how, when we're first learning about a religion or when we're first enter into it, we're on the outside of the, pie. And we're, all working our way towards the center. But when we're on the outside of the pie, it's very easy to say I'm this piece over here, I'm this Christian piece over here. And you're that Muslim piece over there. We're not the same, but as you delve deeper into your spiritual tradition, eventually you all get to the center. And I, just have a, picture. I, actually picture a literal pie like that you eat. And I imagine us all getting to the center of the pie saying, wait a minute, We're all from the same darned pie, how you know, why we're not different at all. And, that's where the, thought that all roads lead home.

Muniqui: 49:50

I am so glad you said it about the all rails leading home, because that is actually the, same principle. That is, that's a very beautiful principle. That is just a simple case of if I live in the mountains and you live in flatland planes, and we're all, and we say, we're going to meet up at the, our sports arena for a big game. The road I travel and what I see driving through the twisting winding mountains looks different than you who live on the flat planes. So if I get to the mountain and say, wow, those roads are twisting and winding. And the per the flat, what are you talking about? There's the roads aren't twisty and windy. They're flattened straight. No, they're not there. Twisty and windy. Who taught you that what's wrong with you? Then the argument breaks out, right? When you said you have to be respectful of the person's path. And this is what we are taught in Islam. Be respectful of the person's path, because you want them to respect your path. I love and learn from that. That is the principle that we learn. I

Pam: 50:56

love that Mona. Yeah,

Muniqui: 51:02

I was just interesting how there's just the idea to do these interviews came about because with the now, with the world, peace frequency of breaking coming through, this is going to make a lot of this is gonna make a lot of, it's interesting that I don't know. Of course the idea came to you to do it a while ago, but it's coming through now with these interviews. So it's interesting that the world piece frequency of Reiki has come through and now you're doing the interviews. So I believe that it's actually connected since it's on the world. Peace.

Pam: 51:43

And I think it is to moon, Kai, yes. I was told to do it and I started doing it back in 2017, but then I had to set it aside when I began the licensed teacher program and just different things in my life. And it is interesting that it's come to the forefront again with the world peace energy. And we there's this an expression like when we send Reiki to the world peace grids, which are at the north pole, the south pole Jerusalem, they're also in, at Mount Karama, thanks to your partner, Lena, who brought them there. And and then there's also a world peace grid in Maui at the Reiki center there and in Michigan at the Reiki center there. And I've been very fortunate to work with the one in Maui, in person at, Williams home. and what is written is may the followers of all religions and spiritual paths work together to create peace among all people on earth, because this is they say don't talk about politics or religion. And I guess I'll probably wind up talking about both of them on this podcast. Because this is where there can be a lot of, discord or a lot of lot of places where we can become divided where we maybe should be together. We were talking about that pie earlier and William Rand who created the world peace grids and actually placed them at the north and south poles in Jerusalem at the Reiki centers. And then Lana placed the one in Mount Karama. He talks about, he was raised fundamentalist Christian, and he stepped away and followed a more spiritual path. But his sister. Followed the, fundamentalist Christian. And he said, what he found fascinating is that at first they, they did exactly that. They, felt that they were in very separate directions, but the more that each of them delved in, then they met and they realized that they have a lot in common that they believe a lot of the same things. They just got to them. They all got to the stadium through a different road, but they still got there.

Muniqui: 54:17

And just to put a fine, to put a fine point. Yes, politics and religion have been discussions on them have been sources of discord, but that shows us that these are also have great potential. For unity and harmony. Yes. When we have the right spirit, when we're motivated in the right method. And when we are individually, when I am as an individual, constantly striving to grow in knowledge, understanding, and wisdom and the proper application of it. If I choose to stay where I am in knowledge, understanding, and wisdom, then I'm on a dead level as a horizontal level. But if I continue to grow to continue to learn, then I'm constantly evolving and will meet people who are at constantly evolving along the way. They will look different. They'll maybe talk differently, but will have a similar idea. The similar. Similar heart motive. And when you get people with the same motives together, this heart, I desire for there to be working peace and unity. Then that means you're choosing to overcome the repulsive forces. That would keep two, normally keep two Adams apart. Yeah. If you can choose, and if your spirituality gives you the idea to help, to overcome your own impediments, that would keep you apart from other members of humanity, then you are truly embodying and living the essence of whatever spiritual practice that you personally are practicing. Does that make, is that register

Pam: 56:08

it? I love that. And I I'm trying to remember who, but I've had a student recently who told me She had a particular teacher who I actually, now I, do remember who it was. One of my students explained that she had a minister who actually, as part of their youth group brought in rabbis and just leaders from all different religions and spiritual traditions so that they could understand them and also make their own choices. And I thought, oh my gosh, how, what I what a wonderful minister to expose young people to all of this. I think it's fascinating. And that being said, Moai, I have one more question for you. How does Reiki come together? With your Muslim background and your, traditions and religion

Muniqui: 57:14

ask that. First of all, let's go back to the beginning. now we know that when he was at, when he was looking for on Ze may if you just translated directly into transit, it just seems spiritual peace, but it's really means to be in a state of peace and harmony so that no matter what the situation is around you, you are in a state of peace. You're at that center, you are centered different, so it may be chaos around you, but you're center. That principle, okay. The principle of being in the state of perfect peace and harmony at all times, regardless of circumstance, that principle translate into Arabic is Islam. That's that when you sub a Muslim is a individual who submits their will to do the will of Allah God and therefore enters into complete peace. And the root word of Islam is SLM slim. That means the making of peace. That is the point of being a Muslim is peace. That is what it. It's not a pardon me? Pardon me? It's not a derivation. That is literally, that is the literal meaning of it to make peace, with the, I can't be at peace with you until I make peace with the author of peace, all law, God Jehovah, the creator, whatever. So by me being at peace with him, he's at peace with me. Then I can be a. At peace and move about the world in that. So to me as a Muslim and of course now dear Reiki, practitioners who are listening, I am not saying that was looking for Islam.

Pam: 59:20

No, he was

Muniqui: 59:24

but the principle is what I can get. Oh, then he was looking for the way to connect to the I'd say idea, then that automatically gives me a connection.

Pam: 59:40

Yeah. There's alignment

Muniqui: 59:42

there. Yeah. There's a lots of point. It's alignment. Yeah. And so then the method that he brought in allows for all human humanity to have access to it, that goes back to the principle of Hodge, that the pilgrimage all different peoples of different races, different background religions, et cetera, but you are unified. In this one myth you're trying to be at one with the create tour. I always have this picture in my mind that I was that I'm giving a talk somewhere. Maybe this is in the future. And I just let's say it's a room of Ricky practitioner and I say this and I ask it all right. I would like all the Baptist in the room. Please stand up. Some people stand up. Okay, please stand up all the Catholics, please stand up this group. Then I say, now who's all a Reiki practitioner, please stand up. And everyone stands up. So in this, so Reiki has Reiki as taught as came to us through Meka OSU, because I personally, this is me personally talking believe that this is, of course we all know it's divine, but I, this direct from God direct from Allah, but it came outside of what you would call traditional Western religions so that no one group. Would say you have to be a practitioner of religion to practice this So now you have a principle that connects us all to the divine and enhances the whatever positive qualities that we possess in the way that is right for us. You don't have to declare yourself to be a Muslim, to practice Reiki. You don't have to declare yourself to be anything, to practice Reiki. And so in that you have a common ground where you can interact with different people, you can get together, and we can talk about the principles of peace and the principles of how to make ourselves better and how to make other people enhance their lives. And I can talk about what I bring to the table as a Muslim, in a way in a language that other people can accept. You don't have. I don't have to talk about it in the exact way that I know it in as a Muslim, but I can take the principle and express it in, a Reiki language or in a Reiki principle that allows other people to accept it. And they say where did you get there? That's a beautiful way. Yes. As a Muslim, we call it this in Reiki. We call it that in another Christian, we call it this. So there's again, that oneness. And diversity and there's oneness in diversity and diversity in oneness that allows us all to be able to move forward together. I know that as a practicing Muslim, just on the surface. There's a lot of people who normally would not interact with me as a Muslim, but as a Reiki practitioner, there are people who I, they wouldn't interact with me. I wouldn't interact with them, but we have this commonality of being Reiki practitioners, and we're all striving to make the world, to make ourselves better, to help make our families, communities, and environments better. And therefore in that purpose, we're all equal. We're all vibrating on the same high frequency with the same motive. And so to, and so that is pardon me. That is what it means to be a Muslim to, and therefore, by being a Reiki practitioner, it, this, I said all that to say this. One of my, one of our recent students said it this way. This is the best way I've heard it expressed. He said being a Reiki practitioner has helped make him a better Muslim. Wow. Then conversely being a Muslim is going to help him be a better Reiki practitioner. And that goes for, and that goes for other people's principles as well. Reiki naturally enhances who you are and what you are on the positive side and gives you tools from the God, from the divine to help us to mitigate work on overcome or heal that, which is not beneficial to us. And I can say all praises due to a law. Thank you, a law for sending I thank you for my Islamic faith. And then thank you for a way. PR a way to actually, and I know I'm being longwinded. Pardon of me? This distance Reiki alone allows me to practice the charity aspect of my faith because I may not be able to maybe donate money to someone or something or that, but I can give distance Reiki or I can give Reiki. I can pray for the person and then participate in the answering of the prayer by giving Reiki. And that is what I've, if nothing else. I'd like to leave with that Reiki. Oh, give another way for me to exercise my faith by giving Reiki to someone I'm not, it's not always about, okay. My fee is no I'm giving Reiki because it's highest good. Yeah. So that's how for me Reiki connects to my Islam.

Pam: 1:05:48

I love that. And, I've heard that from almost every spiritual tradition or religious tradition, that Reiki enhances the experience of the religion. And I, love that. And especially because there. There are a lot of religions that maybe don't trust Reiki or feel that it's meant to take over or take the place of, or something like that. And in fact, I think that Reiki works so beautifully alongside any religious or spiritual tradition and yeah, Luka, you have an experience. I believe that you are willing to lead us through today. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Muniqui: 1:06:40

A lot of people, I have been blessed to that a lot of people are sent to me to help them to get there for lack of better term connection to the divine. And I'm being blessed because the way I do it, I do not say that they should try to become Muslims. I provide, I've been blessed to develop a small system or a small way of small, where a individual can connect to the divine, according to the way that is most appropriate for them. And so it's not very long, but it's, very simple. it's a, it's very simple. I would also like with your permission to give the opening prayer, that is the soft repeated prayer of all Muslims. Yeah. It's, the opening of the holy Quran. It's if you all Muslims know it, that you will always hear it in Arabic, I will say it in English. And just so you'll know, the seven verses, which makes the opening of the Quran, this opening prayer that's on the lips of all Muslims is the summation of all 114 chapters of the Quran. Isn't it interesting that we focus a lot on the seven chakras, but according to what my studies have said, there's at least 114 chakras in the human body. Of course, there's thousands and S but I've said, wow, this 114 chapters is summarized in the seven verses of the opening prayer. And most people focus on the seven chakras, but there's 114 in the body. And that's coming from an Indian tradition. Yes, but no. See there's Indian tradition. I do.

Pam: 1:08:51

And, that's what I was shown in this book that the more we delve into religions, the more we will realize that we're all the same. We're just using different languages, different traditions and different ways of expressing it. But we're all doing the same thing. We're all looking for that connection with the divine. And I'm so excited to have an opportunity to hear and experience your prayer as

Muniqui: 1:09:16

well. When you're ready. I'll give a brief, I'll give a brief Reiki opening, then we'll go Muslim prayer and short and succinct that. So when you're thank you Close your eyes. Take a couple of deep breaths. Begin letting go of the cares and worries of the world and give yourself this time to be about you and for you. As you breathe in and allow roots to extend from your feet all the way down to the heart of mother earth. And as you breathe out and allow whatever's not serving to go down into her loving embrace, breathe in and breathe in the divine light. That's coming from the heavens above all the divine energy divine, reiki practitioner Reiki, open your palms and placed in palms face up as though you are receiving open your heart and be receptive. This Rahe in the name of the law, ENT the most merciful, all praise is due to a law of the Lord of the world, even evenly, the most merciful master of this day of acquittal in which we now. The alone do we serve? And the alone do we Besse for help will all guide us on the right path. The path of those upon whom thou has bestowed favors and not upon the path of those upon whom thera is brought down, nor of those go straight. Oh, aah. We thank you for this time. And we thank you for this opportunity to be present with Pam, Alan. And we thank you for putting the idea in her heart for this series. Oh, aah. I ask now that for every person who is seeking a divine connection with you, regardless of the name create or source divine, by whatever name they call you, I ask that anyone who wants to have a connection with you, that they go quiet in their home when they're by the. and they speak out loud to you or creator, but they desire to have a connection to you in the way that is most appropriate for them. But we know not the way that you will guide an individual that is between you and that individual. If I ask you now for each individual who desires to have that relationship that you. Guide them to yourself in the manner that you see fit and more importantly, almighty, eternal one, please help each person who seeks a connection to you to recognize your answer to their seeking, to their longing. Please help them to recognize your divine hand and your movement of them to answer their longing or connection to you regardless of the form. Or expression that it takes. I ask you, please guide each person to peace and oneness and harmony with you, according to the way that you see it for them. I ask you of this eternal one in the names of Moses Jesus Mohamed first and last and all of the prophets and wise people sages. We know. And don't know, I ask you for this for all who listen, and those who will listen in the future. And I say, thank you man. Amen. Aho.

Pam: 1:14:57

and so it is Monica. I thank you so much for that prayer and for our discussion and for just helping us to get to know your beautiful traditions and religious path better. Thank you for being here with us today and for the listeners who've shown up. Thank you so much. And thank you for the light that you are spreading in the world and for being open to these other perspectives, I think as we all learn from each other awesome.

Muniqui: 1:15:37

This opportunity.

Pam: 1:15:38

Thank you, Namaste

Muniqui: 1:15:40

day.